[squeak-dev] Seaside on Squeak

Frank Shearar frank.shearar at gmail.com
Wed Jan 15 16:14:35 UTC 2014


Yes, I know. But that just means that implementing a bad idea (modal
dialogs) with some random piece of tech (continuations) is a bad idea.

I thought you meant that continuations _implied_ something negative
about UI design by their very nature. But it sounds like that's not
what you meant. Which is good :).

frank

On 15 January 2014 15:56, Chris Muller <asqueaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> Frank, by my limited knowledge, the call: / answer API of Seaside used
> a Continuation to allow a modal component to be rendered on top of
> other components until #answer: is sent by one of the callbacks.  That
> provides stateless web-apps the ability to do desktop-like modal
> "dialog" boxes that can return values to the calling component.
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 15 January 2014 03:10, Chris Muller <asqueaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 14-01-2014, at 5:17 PM, Colin Putney <colin at wiresong.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Meh. Don't worry about it. Seaside is obsolete anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really? I haven’t taken any interest in web development in ages; what’s
>>>>> the replacement for Seaside?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not that there's a replacement. It's more that the problem it solves
>>>> isn't a problem anymore.  Continuations were a brilliant way to manage apps
>>>> that were basically dynamically generated web pages connected via links and
>>>> forms. But Javascript runtimes have gotten way, way faster, more robust and
>>>> more standardized in the last 10 years.  Modern web apps are more of a
>>>> client-server model: the UI rendering and interface logic is all done in
>>>> Javascript running in the browser, and it communicates with the server by
>>>> shuttling JSON back and forth over HTTP. In that sort of a system,
>>>> continuations don't provide any benefit, and the drawbacks start to become
>>>> significant.
>>>
>>> Continuations were never good for UI design anyway.  Modal.
>>
>> I don't understand - what does UI modal-ness got to do with with
>> continuations? (Or: the whole of Squeak is fundamentally built on
>> continuations (Process, ContextPart).)
>>
>> frank
>>
>


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