[Squeakfoundation]Visibility in the open source community

Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:47:37 -0800

Hi,

As I am not a programmer, I have for the most part been lurking on this
list. I am a digital artist, who is concerned with the history of the GUI,
alternative interface design, and virtual communities (especially 3D
multi-user virtual worlds).

This may be a bit out of date, but based on the discussions on the Squeak
Foundation List re the Squeak license, and also for my own research, I
decided to seek opinions on this matter from the horses mouth(s) and emailed
Richard Stallman on the matter.

First of all, he was not interested in commenting on whether the Squeak
license was "open Source". He distinguished "Open Source Software", from
"Free Software", of which he is a supporter, and so the opinion below only
pertains to Squeaks conformity with standards of  the "Free Software
Foundation." This does not mean that Squeak is not "Open source" or that it
is free enough for the purposes of the Squeak community. It depends on your
politics. Anyway, I thought that I should pass this along to the list.

- Matthew Sloly

PS- Regarding Squeak's default fonts, from an aesthetic point of view, it
would not be no great loss to replace these fonts with some that are more
standard, and graphically elegant, like Times New Roman, or Arial. I am not
sure if these fonts are free or open source, but I am sure that there are
free and/or open equivalents.

Generally, Squeak needs a design overhaul, and a consistent interface
policy. I would be happy to offer my services to the Squeak community in
this regard, if there are some programmers out there who would like to form
a team for this purpose . . . but perhaps Squeak is not at the stage where
commercial viability is yet an issue, so this may be superfluous.

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M A T T H E W
D E N I S
R I C H A R D
S L O L Y

ART CENTER COLLEGE OF DESIGN, Del Mar Studios
10 East Del Mar Blvd.
Pasadena, California, USA
91105
(626)683-0951

sloly@artcenter.edu
http://www.interlog.com/~metalogo/
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>
To: <sloly@artcenter.edu>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: license for Squeak VM

>     I know it's not the GNU GPL, but does it meet your standards, as a
>     true Open Source license?
>
> Do you mean my standards, or the open source standards?  They are not
> the same, because I am not an open source supporter.  I never
> supported them.  I support the free software movement.
>
> I could tell you if the Squeak licese meets free software standards.
> If you want to know about open source, you'll have to ask the open
> source movement.  They have different standards, less firm than ours.
> See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html for
> more explanation of the difference between the two movements.
>
> If you'd like me to judge the Squeak license by free software standards,
> please email me the text of the license.
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Denis Richard Sloly" <sloly@artcenter.edu>
To: <rms@gnu.org>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: license for Squeak VM

> Richard,
>
> My apologies for the mix-up in nomenclature, the two terms do imply
> substantively different values.
>
> I would be particularly interested in your opinion the Squeak license
> according to "free software" standards: http://www.squeak.org/license.html
>
> - Matthew Sloly

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>
To: <sloly@artcenter.edu>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: license for Squeak VM

> The fonts are definitely not free, not even close.  I think that the
> license for the software is close to being a free software license but
> fails because of section 6.  There is also a condition in section 2
> that I am not sure of.  I'd have to think about it for some time.
> Since I don't have time, it is fortunate that the answer is clear
> without that.
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "ducasse" <ducasse@iam.unibe.ch>
To: <squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Cc: "Serge Stinckwich" <Serge.Stinckwich@info.unicaen.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:51 AM
Subject: [Squeakfoundation]Visibility in the open source community

> Hi
>
> In the context of the next ESUG event
> http://www.iutc3.unicaen.fr:8000/esug2002/
>
> We are planning to organize a open source day.
>
> The idea would be to use the FSF Europe <http://www.fsfeurope.org/>
> to advertise this day and to show GnuSmalltalk and Squeak.
>
> So I hope we will get one big Squeaker there to talk about squeak.
>
> If you are interested (I hope so) contact Serge Stinckwich
> Serge.Stinckwich@info.unicaen.fr
>
>
> Stef
>
> PS: this year ESUG is located between brussels, paris and london (1h30
from
> paris and Brussels--- and we will have a CampSmalltalk event too like last
> year. The dates: 26th of August until 30 of August). The local
organization
> has been really improved so we will have a great time.
>
>
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