[Vm-dev] CMake
Ben Coman
btc at openinworld.com
Thu Jan 17 02:21:18 UTC 2019
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 06:17, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda at gmail.com> wrote:
> - About CMake, you may be right that makefile is better than CMake
>> but a part of the world is using
>> CMake and the net result is that we lost our effort and
>> infrastructure just to follow you. Ronie uses CMake.
>> Igor which I consider as a talented developer used CMake because
>> he thought it was the best tool
>> he should use.
>>
>
> Yes, and I disagree about the way that they use it, and for good reason.
> I have defended my use of Makefiles for a long time, for objective
> reasons.
>
These reasons may be technically correct, but in terms of *community*
consider it similar to premature optimization.
For yourself, the priority is a faster build. Others may prioritize a
faster coding workflow using an IDE like Visual Studio.
Indeed, back when I trialed building minheadless on Windows a *primary*
consideration was that it looked easy to
use Visual Studio because minheadless had a CMake build. That led to me
contributing a couple of small fixes for win64,
but without the enticement of CMake I might never have opened that box.
Consider then the possibility that a portion of our Windows using community
remains untapped
because their skill set is Visual Studio and they don't see an easy path to
using it with plain makefiles**.
So it depends on what is better for the *community* to optimize for:
* faster build-time for incumbents (important because thats where the
majority of contributions come from)
* broader community involvement with a workflow accelerating IDE (important
because growing the vm community is important, from which additional core
devs may arise)
** I do understand that plain makefiles can be used with VS, but I'm not
clear on the setup and
unsure if all the fancy intellisense tools work.
I have also proposed good ways for using CMake (to derive a
> platform-specific header file defining available platform-specific
> features).
>
I presume its the additional multi-build-system features that people want
CMake for, not just the using it in name only.
I can't remember the trade-off between Automake-configure and
CMake-configure. Make using CMake-configure
would make it easier to co-ordinate parallel CMake and GnuMake systems. I
think I've noticed several large
code-bases providing both (but I'd have to check)
But my objection to Igor's process was that he generated sources on each
> build.
>
> And my objections to Ronie's use of CMake for the minheadless build are
> that a) it is slow and
>
I'd like to quantify that.
@esteban, I remember you converted minheadless from CMake to Gnumake, but
I'm not sure if I've got that right.
Can both be run off the current HEAD for minheadless? Or I could compare
HEAD with a previous commit that had CMake.
b) explicit feature sets are much better than the implicit feature sets
> that arise when using CMake.
>
I'd like to understand this better. Could you expand?
cheers -ben
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