[Webteam] Notice about the etoys license

[Ken Causey]

On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 16:55 +0100, Janko Mivšek wrote:
> I'm just checking Google stats and license page has currently the 
> highest pagerank, therefore we really need to take care about its content.
> 
> About mentioning EToys license , isn't EToys a part of standard Squeak 
> distribution? Or at least some code of it. If so, we need to at least 
> mention the license of EToys and provide a link to its website.

No, the problem here is one shared by many not familiar with Squeak in
depth.  We are refering to two closely related but separate things by
the name 'eToys'.  One is a collection of classes and collateral data
that is, in some form, distributed as part of the current Squeak core
releases.  The second, and the one relevant here, is a distribution of
Squeak with modifications and additions to the eToys software and setup
for educational purposes.  This is distributed via squeakland.org and
perhaps other locations.

> 
>  From quick look at the license page and from history I'd conclude that 
> it is under Apache license but further down the Apple license is states. 
> But it is titled as Official Squeak license. Well, this is really 
> confusing and need to be corrected ASAP.
> 
> We need a word from a Leadership, from Craig I suppose, about changing 
> the exact license on that page?
> 
> Janko
> 
> Ken Causey wrote:
> > Further regarding the current SqueakLicense page:
> > 
> > In my opinion the content on this page should be replaced with the
> > original 'Squeak License' since I believe there are links to this page
> > expecting the actual Squeak License (the license by that name, not the
> > license for a given version of Squeak).
> > 
> > Another page should be created that as succinctly as possible explains
> > the current license status and secondarily the history and links as
> > appropriate to seperate pages (either internally or externally) for each
> > license.  A link could be put prominently on the SqueakLicense page
> > pointing to this new page if the reader is looking for overall licensing
> > information.  And any existing links on the site that mean to refer to
> > license status and not explicitly the 'Squeak License' should be changed
> > to point to the new page.
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> > On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 18:16 -0600, Ken Causey wrote:
> >> I strongly disagree and believe this would further confuse the issue.
> >> www.squeak.org and ftp.squeak.org represent the project that develops
> >> and distributes Squeak, but not Squeak Etoys.  Any license information
> >> should be closely connected to the distribution point for a piece of
> >> software and vice versa.  We do not distribute Squeak Etoys, why should
> >> we be maintaining licensing information for that piece of software?
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 16:51 -0700, Matthew Fulmer wrote:
> >>> There is ongoing discussion about including etoys in debian,
> >>> fedora, and ubuntu. Several people have looked at
> >>>
> >>> http://squeak.org/SqueakLicense/
> >>>
> >>> and are confused, as that license is not the MIT/Apache license
> >>> that we are advertising etoys to be available under. For the
> >>> latest discussion, see the emails with the subject "Sugar in
> >>> Edubuntu":
> >>>
> >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-November/thread.html
> >>>
> >>> I would like to add the following notice to the top of the page:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Notice regarding Etoys
> >>>
> >>> Etoys 4, a product derived from Squeak and distributed
> >>> with Sugar<http://sugarlabs.org> and the One Laptop Per
> >>> Child<http://laptop.org>, is no longer distributed under the
> >>> license listed on this page. Its licensing terms are described
> >>> at Viewpoints Research Institute<http://www.vpri.org/vp_wiki>,
> >>> the copyright holder for Squeak and Etoys
> >>>
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