Squeak-dev March 2012

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SM, scripts, and application names
by Chris Cunnington 08 Mar '12

08 Mar '12

I'm posting this here to think out loud. Not so long ago I built a widget called Scripy which was for using Installer scripts to load things. I pulled that project down, as I've learned what I needed from it. At the time I got some push back from Chris M. and I couldn't understand why. Now I understand. He did that same job a year before and did it much better. Except for one regard. Chris M. wrote SMReleaseBrowser, so a person could go to the SqueakMap GUI and create a release. And the user could also add an Installer script. The code he wrote is better than I can write. It's broken at the moment, but I'll get under it to see how it works. The problem is that although it was great code, it was an utter and total communications failure. Grand mal. I know of only one person who knew it existed and they've never used it. But it is good code, and I'd like to build on it. Packages need to be abstracted over with Installer script and stored on the server in a user's downloads directory. This is a good idea. I have one to add: applications need names. The name of an package is not sufficient to be the name of an app. Say I want to load Tweak. I should be able to go to a list and choose ... Tweak. Not guess from a bunch of package names. So I figure I'll add that to SM -- application names. The packages will be hidden. Advanced users will be able to get a pane of packages to load additions specifically. Click KomHttpServer now and you had better know you need DynamicBindings and KomServices. With an application name in a list saying KomHttpServer, the button should cue the Installer script so that DynamicBindings and KomServices are loaded automatically. The dependencies are the responsibility of the developer doing the release. If people want to detail further, then they could go to a second tier pane that lists individual packages. The last thing I figure, and here is where Chris M. and I differ, is that releases should not be allowed to be created from the image. Only from the web site. I see SqueakMap where production is handled at the website. Consumption from the image. This allows for the creation of a GUI which displays application names in a list and has no more than three buttons. Thanks, Chris

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The Trunk: Monticello-bf.496.mcz
by commits＠source.squeak.org 08 Mar '12

08 Mar '12

Bert Freudenberg uploaded a new version of Monticello to project The Trunk: http://source.squeak.org/trunk/Monticello-bf.496.mcz ==================== Summary ==================== Name: Monticello-bf.496 Author: bf Time: 8 March 2012, 6:40:14.351 pm UUID: 63c6d543-303f-47e3-8c5c-bae52b77170c Ancestors: Monticello-bf.495 - keep branch name when saving new version =============== Diff against Monticello-bf.495 =============== Item was changed: ----- Method: MCWorkingCopy>>nextVersionName (in category 'private') ----- nextVersionName | branch oldName | ancestry ancestors isEmpty ifTrue: [ counter ifNil: [ counter := 0 ]. branch := package name ] ifFalse: [ oldName := ancestry ancestors first versionName. + branch := oldName packageAndBranchName. - branch := oldName packageName. counter ifNil: [ counter := (ancestry ancestors detectMax: [ : eachVersionInfo | eachVersionInfo versionNumber ]) ifNil: [ 0 ] ifNotNil: [ : highestNumbered | highestNumbered versionNumber ] ] ]. counter := counter + 1. ^ branch , '-' , Utilities authorInitials , '.' , counter asString!

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AW: [squeak-dev] Announcement: Spelling services
by Tim Felgentreff 07 Mar '12

07 Mar '12

Thanks for the patch! Now I can setup our CI to run the tests against Pharo 1.3, too :)

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Project ideas for GSoC, 7 days left!
by Janko Mivšek 07 Mar '12

07 Mar '12

Hi everyone, 7 days to deadline for ideas of this year GSoC! Please think about what would be a nice project for students to work and that way join our community. And yes, students are welcome to propose projects too! Let we "recycle" past project ideas too! Please review them and propose those still valuable. Or change the proposal to suit better. Here they are: http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas . Let me and Carla post GSoC related stuff only on Pharo, Squeak and VWNC mailing lists while for other let someone forward those mails there please. It is just too hard to post on 10+ mailing lists, you know... Past GSoC mentors please join the debate on special Smalltalk GSoC mentors list: http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors. If you want to be mentor this year you are welcome to join that list too. Best regards Janko S, Janko Mivšek piše: > Dear Smalltalkers, > > Let we apply this year again for the Google Summer of Code, which as you > know is a Google's stipendium program for students to encourage them > working on open-source projects [1]. > > Ok, our first step as community is to collect ideas for possible > projects and to apply to the GSoC as an organization. Deadline is next > Friday, so please hurry on with ideas. Just put them as reply to this > email or to admins directly and we will put them on our website [2]. > > Your project idea should be written as answers to these questions: > > Name > Level (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced) > Possible mentor > Possible second mentor > > Description > Technical Details > Benefits to the Student > Benefits to the Community > > > See how such ideas look like in past: http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas. > > Waiting for your ideas > Carla and Janko, your GSoC Admin team > > [1] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 > [2] http://gsoc2012.esug.org > -- Janko Mivšek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team http://gsoc2012.esug.org

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How to add packages to SqueakMap
by Chris Cunnington 07 Mar '12

07 Mar '12

Hi Jin-oh, Hmm.. what to say. 1. SqueakMap is old and most people use http://www.squeaksource.com with Monticello. 2. It's an orphan because the person who built it has gone to Pharo. 3. Having said that, try this http://76.74.255.163:8080 It's a replacement for the SqueakMap server I've had on the back burner. Give it a try. I'm pretty sure it'll crash, but you could help by telling me what happens when you use it. That's all I can suggest, Chris

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Smalltalk as embedded platform/language?
by Igor Stasenko 07 Mar '12

07 Mar '12

It is very long post, so i decided to put it on my blog. http://computeradventures.wordpress.com/ i more or less realizing the scale of changes in order to achieve it, but i also wonder why we do not pay attention to this aspect.. maybe i miss something, maybe we don't need it at all. or maybe there's less painful alternatives... -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

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SM (was OCompletion in 4.3?)
by Chris Cunnington 07 Mar '12

07 Mar '12

I don't feel stiffed, Göran. My grown as a programmer is emerging from a base of code you wrote. I don't know if SM has a future as a solution for the community, but it certainly has future as the place where I improve as a programmer. Since you feel certain that SmalltalkHub with your assistance will be a benefit to Squeak, Pharo, and others, perhaps you might be bold enough to commit yourself to some kind of deadline. When? Real artists ship. Chris

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SqueakSource Projects with more than 1000 downloads
by Chris Cunnington 07 Mar '12

07 Mar '12

That was an interesting exercise. Of all the projects on http://www.squeaksource.com 495 have downloads greater than 1000. Of those 495, some observations can be made. Some are old and bypassed by other projects. Some are for compsi courses at schools. Some are part of the Pharo development process. Others are Pharo only. Many others are idiosyncratic personal projects. I'd say there are 50 projects people go back to again and again. What is it they say? 20% of all salespeople get 80% of all the sales. Something like that is happening on SqS. There is a canon of projects and a lot of outliers. I had thought of scraping SqS to get the goods and move it over to Squeak Map. In truth, if I made everything at MetacelloRepository available and then then moved 50 key projects by hand then I'd have covered 80% of all possible needs. The idea that SqueakSource is useful because it has breadth and depth is a canard. People are going back over and over again for the same projects. 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SM (was OCompletion in 4.3?)
by Chris Cunnington 06 Mar '12

06 Mar '12

I've been reading these posts about plans for improving SqueakMap. The real deal maker is to mirror SqueakSource. If you could go to SM and know you were getting access to everything at SqueakSource and other things. Then it'd be compelling. Andreas was saying that SM was useful because it could be searched by Google. You know, he's got a point. SqS is awful for finding things. Truly. Unless you know what you're looking for, forget it. And it'd be easy to add a Google search window. But how to siphon all the data about projects out of SqS? I mean, Google can't crawl it, and there's a reason for that. Does anybody have an idea? Chris

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SM (was OCompletion in 4.3?)
by Chris Cunnington 06 Mar '12

06 Mar '12

Yea, that's a good point. Scripts come in different flavours: Installer, Metacello, MC configurations. With a variable for FooFooFoo, a list of the projects at MetacelloRepository could be loaded with this: Installer ss project: 'MetacelloRepository'; install: 'FooFooFoo'. ((Smalltalk at: #FooFooFoo) project version: #stable) load. Executable with a button push from the SM GUI. Perhaps that's a good place to start with SqS. Thanks, Chris

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