Hi all,
My next question is what can I do with them, how do I interact with them, I drop them on a Squeak VM it works but then do we have to specify parameter and get value....
We have implemented consode I/O... We also has implemented an image (aprox 40kb) that get a web page given an URL (using WinInet because Squeak sockets implementation is very complex). They ONLY do simple things but we plan to expand the framework to support dynamic exchange with parents (nutrition from parents) when needed. It is a work in progress that we have from a long time in Smalltalking (we also advocates to do a social activities for the community, here in Argentina).
Ale this is ***really*** exciting. Impressive. If we could rebuild Squeak on top of such a mini image this would be ****really**** good. Or a kind of dream :).
Diego what was the paper you talked about?
I think that it can't be very difficult to build a mechanism to support dynamic embedding of mini-images, but provably it must be supported by primitives (this will require VM changes :-( ).
cheers, Ale.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephane Ducasse" ducasse@iam.unibe.ch To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Mythical small kernel images?
Thanks this was so small that I missed them. Now I get them. My next question is what can I do with them, how do I interact with them, I drop them on a Squeak VM it works but then do we have to specify parameter and get value....
Ale this is ***really*** exciting. Impressive. If we could rebuild Squeak on top of such a mini image this would be ****really**** good. Or a kind of dream :).
Diego what was the paper you talked about?
Stef
On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 10:14 PM, diegogomezdeck@consultar.com wrote:
Hi,
Alejandro Reimondo has atached them in an email. You can find them at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/squeak/message/55613
Diego
Diego
I did not see this mini image where can I find it?
Stef
On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 09:45 PM, diegogomezdeck@consultar.com wrote:
Hi Luciano,
You get confused by the paper "engendrando un smalltalk" (generating a smalltalk) and the jod done to create a minimal image.
The images that Alejandro has sent to this list are images created BEFORE the process of growing them using the parent-child process. This process allows you to create the image you want, with or without the mechanism described in the paper.
Cheers,
Diego Gomez Deck
Alejandro, this is very interesting.
I remember you told me about this long time ago, and I still have the same doubts: How stable are the images produced with this process? The final image includes only methods that have been activated in the nurturing process, right? What about the methods that have not been activated, but that are needed later? How long do you have to nurture an image before it stabilizes? Does it stabilize at all?
I guess at some point you would be able to generate a new image for the child, start a new vm and continue the nurturing process through the network. Are you doing that?
Please try to realise this project under the Squeak-L. A lot of us are eager to play with it. Luciano.-
Prof. Dr. Stéphane DUCASSE (ducasse@iam.unibe.ch) http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/ "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
Prof. Dr. Stéphane DUCASSE (ducasse@iam.unibe.ch) http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/ "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes