Hi!
Casimiro de Almeida Barreto wrote:
Em 28-06-2009 07:23, Göran Krampe escreveu:
(...) Possibly true, but Smalltalk, Squeak, Etoys and even Croquet have been around for quite some time now - and we haven't seen any real explosion yet. Croquet was meant to "explode" but hasn't. So I am not holding my breath for "the day Squeak gets popular" :)
I guess there are several issues when "explosion" (in the sense of wide acceptance & popularity) is a target for a project. I'll enumerate some of them that came to my mind:
Note that *I* don't really care for any "explosion". I was merely saying that waiting for it to happen in order to gain something from it - is probably foolish :)
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Note: I don't agree with that list, but I get your point.
IMHO Squeak.org "stillness" is happening because a point was reached when boring work is necessary. IMHO the board should be looking for
Nah, how come Pharo is doing all those things then?? I don't agree.
corporate support in order to have resources to support the "boring work". As an example: some years ago there was momentum for the use of
I generally do not agree with those that think "corporate support" or "paid work" is the solution. Sorry, I just don't.
I just want a Squeak that I can use and help improve and that has a reasonable commit process, some nice goals and a reasonable leadership. :)
I don't want a company deciding what happens with Squeak. Definitely not.
Again, a key issue is that perhaps there is just not enough people to support splitting projects. Again, IMHO that is one the issues that complicated the life of croquet. Not to mention that much of croquet related to 3D optimization and acceleration in cross platform environment...
That I can agree with - we are quite few.
Oh, and a final note:
But what if Squeak.org is abandoned and everyone moves to Pharo, what is so bad about letting that happen? It is NOT bad. But I think we could do it in a smoother way and actually turn this into something *positive*. The merge could be turned into a real BOOST to Squeak/Pharo.
If everybody goes to Pharo it won't necessarily be a problem. The problem will be if key people stand in one side or the other.
Right... So I didn't disagree with *everything* you wrote :)
regards, Göran