-1. No ghost grabbing please. Squeak is not Windows 10. Window contents don't overlap with the grips. The close-box is not "content".
Changing the mouse to resize shape when one is adjacent to the resizer just plain looks like a bug. The environment should have a "physicality" to it that users can relate to. No one clicks *next* to something to grab it.
Why does Microsoft continue to pursue such insanity? Too much overdesign zeal? The big tablet dumb-down? They turn one UI feature into a problem, and then they gotta "solve" it, by introducing another problem... Like what happened with those disasterous "auto maximize" features in Windows 8 / Ubuntu Unity. The same was already available by clicking maximize and then sizing the window down along 1 dimension which is flexible, easy and consistent with the existing window management gestures.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 12:44 AM, marcel.taeumel Marcel.Taeumel@hpi.de wrote:
Bert Freudenberg wrote
On 25.03.2016, at 19:28, tim Rowledge <
tim@
> wrote:
On 25-03-2016, at 7:56 AM, Bert Freudenberg <
bert@
> wrote:
There are actually two problems that look very similar but are unrelated:
(1) grips on top of the text morph
In a 5.0 image, the text morph is behind the grips. Apparently this has been fixed in the mean time, in Trunk it looks fine. This is obviously independent of platform.
(2) window “grip” on Mac
On a Mac, the VM provides a similar “grip” for the full Squeak window, which makes it impossible to click in the lower left and right corners.
So (1) appears to be fixed in trunk and (2) can not be fixed because it’s the same in all Mac apps. I’d say we’re good.
I know this hardly ever happens, but Bert is right :-O
Well, almost. I just noticed that in the 5.0 All-in-One-VM the Mac corner grip is visible, and *only* affects the lower right window corner:
... whereas in a 5.0.3602 Spur VM the grips are invisible and in both lower-left and lower-right corners.
Is this a difference between Carbon and Cocoa VMs, maybe?
- Bert -
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Hi, there.
In Windows 10, the grab handles are outside the (resp. adjacent to) windows and reside in the drop shadow. Since there are no window borders anymore in Windows 10, the window contents would otherwise overlap with the grips. This holds also for the corner grips.
I think we should also move our grips to the outside if SystemWindow borders are too small. The only draw back would be that full-screen windows cannot be resized anymore. Should they anyway? Maximized means maximized. :-)
Best, Marcel
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