Hi--
Andreas writes:
3.11 has lost *all* visibility to me. I didn't know whether it had even started because there was nothing on the server, there were no announcements on this list, so how would people know?
Göran responds:
IMHO this has more to do with our current board and its lack of... communication.
It's been quite a while since you've said anything to me on the #squeak channel on IRC, and I'm there most days. Given your current comments, this seems odd to me.
While I can't always read all of squeak-dev every day, I do watch the meetings notes threads for responses. I haven't seen any for several cycles. I encourage everyone to let loose there. :) I also look forward to when we have a tenable way for people to send meeting agenda item suggestions to us.
Sure, I just skimmed meeting notes posted...
Indeed, the meeting notes are the primary way we communicate with the community. They exist because, currently, I seem to be the only one who can spare the time to write them. Even sparing that time is nontrivial, so if someone would like to volunteer to make them more prominent, please contact me. I encourage anyone who chooses to spend significant time complaining to consider spending at least some of that time being on the leadership team instead.
...and AFAICT there was a motion back in july:
"Motion: Spoon will be basis of a R4 and 3.x will continue as planned in 3.11 proposal as long as people want to maintain it. (Passed unanimously) "
...but I can't say that the community is very AWARE of this and what it means. So either the team is to "blame" for not speaking up or the board is to blame for not showing the official support.
The 3.11 team has the full support of the leadership team. The leadership team's understanding is that the 3.11 team (like all teams) would take responsibility for their task and its visibility. The primary task of the leadership team is to delegate. Again, those who prefer a different mandate for the leadership team should run for election.
Let me also YET AGAIN point to the team table on squeak.org:
http://www.squeak.org/Community/Teams/...
It seems I have pointed this out a THOUSAND times and nothing is happening.
The last time you said nothing was happening, I sat with you live on IRC and edited that table until you said you were satisfied with it. Apparently you misspoke, or I misunderstood you to be satisfied. Regardless, something did happen, and it is false to say that nothing happened. A few minutes ago I tried to login to edit that page, and the credentials I used before didn't work; I've asked Janko for new ones.
If you are willing to point something out a thousand times, perhaps you might be willing to point it out nine hundred and ninety-nine times and then volunteer to do it yourself.
If the board totally ignores this table then for god sake - delete it.
Göran, you know full well that I am the person responsible for that table. Why you choose to get upset, let months go by while being upset, and then post heated tirades here rather than contact me directly about it at some point during those months is quite beyond me.
thanks,
-C
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