On 26 août 05, at 19:14, Juan Vuletich wrote:
Hi Fellows,
The MorphicSplitters project is a first step towards this.
MorphicSplitters started with an Etoys-free Morphic image I made on 2004, based on 3.7. It was really easier to understand and could have been a good base for complete Morphic overhaul. At that time I was decided to fork Squeak for my own projects. To me having a clean Morphic is even more valuable that having the fixes and enhancements of the official version. (If somebody wants it, let me know).
Juan if you take the time to work and produce MC file for the 3.9 alpha version, we will pay attention that your changes get incorporated.
But then, many people showed interest on this work. It became clear that although it was hard, it would be possible do this cleaning in the official version. So the MorphicSplitters project was born.
The mid-term objective of MorphicSplitters is to be able to unload Etoys from a standard image and have a smaller Morphic that works properly.
which is an excellent idea.
The long term objective is to remove Etoys and other optional packages that use Morphic from the image, and have them in SqueakMap. And when all Etoys users switch to Tweak, just leave Etoys behind.
Anybody who wants to help with this project should wait until ToolBuilder and the first version of MorphicSplitters get into the official version. Then, cleaning Morphic could perhaps be more of a community work.
marcus worked on toolBuilder but got stuck because the produced image was strange. This is coming.
Stef
Cheers, Juan Vuletich
----- Original Message ----- From: "stéphane ducasse" ducasse@iam.unibe.ch To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" <squeak- dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [Q] Speed comparison 2.8 vs 3.8
Hi gunther
I would not switch from dolphin to morphic, just for morphic. But it depends what you are doing.
Morphic deserves a massive clean (may be coming back to pre etoy would be a good move). When Morph was only 300 methods. Now the problem is that people with the know how will not do it. Also the concurrency model of morphic is not really good.
Stef
On 25 août 05, at 19:26, Günther Schmidt wrote:
Tim,
so, if the *right* people are working on it, Morphic can be made to go wooooosh?
I've been thinking of switching from Dolphin to Squeak for a couple of reasons, Morphic in particular, because I just can't see how you could do the things you can do in Morphic as easily in Dolphin.
There have been posts on this topic for some time now, so I guess it's something that resists fixing?
Well in short, I'm asking whether it's reasonable to presume that this issue will be resolved any time soon or rather not to depend on that?
Günther
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