(for those who missed the thread)
Hello,
There is a solution to combine the advantage of mailing-list and newsgroups : http://gmane.org/
We could acceed to squeak-dev by news://news.gmane.org/gname.lang.squeak, this could be a newsgroup backend to the mailing-list. Moreover, Gname was designed by Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen under GPL, the guy who designed the wonderful Emacs/gnus (!).
Here is a significant excerpt.
"GNU Mail To News And Back Again :
Much interesting discussion today takes place on mailing lists. This is inconvenient. If you become interested in a subject, you want to know what's being discussed, and you want to familiarize yourself with the culture of the list. This means that you need to get an overview of previous discussions.
Several mailing lists archives exist, but these are all hidden under a web interface. Reading mail that way is not convenient. Reading mail as if it were news is convenient.
This is what Gmane offers. Mailing lists are funnelled into news groups. This isn't a new idea; several mail-to-news gateways exist. What's new with Gmane is that no messages are ever expired from the server, and the gateway is bi-directional. You can post to these mailing lists without being subscribed to them yourself.
*Not all mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post, and some are moderated. Gmane requires that users post to Gmane groups using a valid e-mail address, and requires a one-time authorization per group.*
To read the mailing lists stored in Gmane, point your newsreader to news.gmane.org. "
What do you think about ?
Regards
Samir
*Not all mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post, and some are moderated. Gmane requires that users post to Gmane groups using a valid e-mail address, and requires a one-time authorization per group.*
And: The system can exchange *all* email-adresses with a gmame.org adress, which will be forwarded to the original adress:
Mail Delivery Any mail sent to an address like larsi=smP1P7uqpqc@public.gmane.org will undergo a challenge/response scheme courtesy of TMDA. After the sender has verified that she exists, the address will be decrypted, and the message will be forwarded to the real recipient.
In fact, feel free to use your public.gmane.org address anywhere. While it's difficult for me to promise that your encrypted address will work forever, I have no plans for limiting the use of these addresses.
What do you think about ?
I think it solves all problems we had with a Mail-News gateway (if operated with mail-adress-encryption turned on). IMHO.
Marcus Denker marcus@ira.uka.de -- Squeak! http://squeakland.org
This conversation about mailing-list efficiency and combination of inline/offline access reminds me the "Elephant" project. Look at the Lojban wiki here: http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?Elephant Cheers, Jerome.
Why not HyperNews? This is a stable, working system,
combining the messaging
and the persistent "article" pages. There are also other
cooperative projects
but more structured than Wikis, e.g. COW, etc.
I think it's "Push Vs. Pull" and "Disconnected Vs. Online". What's good with a simple mailinglist is that I don't have to be online while reading or anwerig (I am paying by the minute...). I think this is important. Even if you have a good internet connection you want to read while on a train or in a caffee.
Having a Push-Medium is important, too. I just don't visit the Squeak Wiki or other websites that often. Onother important aspect is that it is a little work to get subscribed. This helps to keep strange people away.
So I don't think that web-based systems or usenet would be the way we should go.
But I think you are right that email isn't perfekt.