Hi All,
Not sure if I've mentioned this but IT"S TIME TO VOTE!
You may be asking why is Ron pushing so hard for people to vote?
We are on track to have our lowest vote count ever. The number of voters is going down year to year but the drop this year is significant. I'm sure we can do better!
Please let me know if you have trouble finding your ballot. I can resend it to you.
Thanks!
All the best,
Ron Teitelbaum
Thanks Ron for pushing.
The board needs that legitimation and Squeak (we) needs the board!
Herbert, having voted :-)
Am 02.02.2018 um 14:06 schrieb Ron Teitelbaum:
Hi All,
Not sure if I've mentioned this but IT"S TIME TO VOTE!
You may be asking why is Ron pushing so hard for people to vote?
We are on track to have our lowest vote count ever. The number of voters is going down year to year but the drop this year is significant. I'm sure we can do better!
Please let me know if you have trouble finding your ballot. I can resend it to you.
Thanks!
All the best,
Ron Teitelbaum
On 02-02-2018, at 5:46 AM, Herbert König herbertkoenig@gmx.net wrote:
Thanks Ron for pushing.
The board needs that legitimation and Squeak (we) needs the board!
Well, yeah. If nobody can be bothered to spend 2 minutes clicking some buttons, then what is the point of us even trying to run this show?
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim The enema of my enemy is my friend
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:23 PM, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 02-02-2018, at 5:46 AM, Herbert König herbertkoenig@gmx.net wrote:
Thanks Ron for pushing.
The board needs that legitimation and Squeak (we) needs the board!
Well, yeah. If nobody can be bothered to spend 2 minutes clicking some buttons, then what is the point of us even trying to run this show?
Hi Tim,
This is a great community with terrific people. Part of the problem is that not everyone reads the list reguarly. We hoped to fix that by making the voting period around 2 weeks. Part of the problem may be that some emails didn't get delivered or ended up in SPAM. Most people will ignore that and move on with their life. My hope by pushing the issue is to help raise that issue a bit so that people that want to vote get a chance to make their voice heard. Hopefully I didn't overstate the urgency! We do have 4 days left to vote! Before this push we were at 75% of last years vote. Right now we are at 83% of last years vote.
I would like to thank you and all the past board members for all your work to help keep this community on track!
Ron
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim The enema of my enemy is my friend
If people might not see the emails, why not put a reminder in the image?
On 2/2/18 2:22 PM, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:23 PM, tim Rowledge <tim@rowledge.org mailto:tim@rowledge.org> wrote:
> On 02-02-2018, at 5:46 AM, Herbert König <herbertkoenig@gmx.net <mailto:herbertkoenig@gmx.net>> wrote: > > Thanks Ron for pushing. > > > The board needs that legitimation and Squeak (we) needs the board! Well, yeah. If nobody can be bothered to spend 2 minutes clicking some buttons, then what is the point of us even trying to run this show?Hi Tim,
This is a great community with terrific people. Part of the problem is that not everyone reads the list reguarly. We hoped to fix that by making the voting period around 2 weeks. Part of the problem may be that some emails didn't get delivered or ended up in SPAM. Most people will ignore that and move on with their life. My hope by pushing the issue is to help raise that issue a bit so that people that want to vote get a chance to make their voice heard. Hopefully I didn't overstate the urgency! We do have 4 days left to vote! Before this push we were at 75% of last years vote. Right now we are at 83% of last years vote.
I would like to thank you and all the past board members for all your work to help keep this community on track!
Ron
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org <mailto:tim@rowledge.org>; http://www.rowledge.org/tim The enema of my enemy is my friend
Hi Ron,
Normally I don't vote because I spend most of my time with VA Smalltalk and haven't felt the right to tell full time Squeakers who should be on the board. But lately I have been doing more with Squeak and you make such a passionate appeal for people to vote that I have decided I will vote if I'm still welcome. So, please send me a ballot.
Louis LaBrunda Lou@Keystone-Software.com
Lou
On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 14:22:17 -0500, Ron Teitelbaum ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:23 PM, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 02-02-2018, at 5:46 AM, Herbert König herbertkoenig@gmx.net wrote:
Thanks Ron for pushing.
The board needs that legitimation and Squeak (we) needs the board!
Well, yeah. If nobody can be bothered to spend 2 minutes clicking some buttons, then what is the point of us even trying to run this show?
Hi Tim,
This is a great community with terrific people. Part of the problem is that not everyone reads the list reguarly. We hoped to fix that by making the voting period around 2 weeks. Part of the problem may be that some emails didn't get delivered or ended up in SPAM. Most people will ignore that and move on with their life. My hope by pushing the issue is to help raise that issue a bit so that people that want to vote get a chance to make their voice heard. Hopefully I didn't overstate the urgency! We do have 4 days left to vote! Before this push we were at 75% of last years vote. Right now we are at 83% of last years vote.
I would like to thank you and all the past board members for all your work to help keep this community on track!
Ron
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim The enema of my enemy is my friend
Hi Lou,
Thank you very much for wanting to vote! I've added you to the list for next year. Sorry, I can't let you vote this year but please remember to vote next year!
All the best,
Ron
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Louis LaBrunda Lou@keystone-software.com wrote:
Hi Ron,
Normally I don't vote because I spend most of my time with VA Smalltalk and haven't felt the right to tell full time Squeakers who should be on the board. But lately I have been doing more with Squeak and you make such a passionate appeal for people to vote that I have decided I will vote if I'm still welcome. So, please send me a ballot.
Louis LaBrunda Lou@Keystone-Software.com
Lou
On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 14:22:17 -0500, Ron Teitelbaum ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:23 PM, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 02-02-2018, at 5:46 AM, Herbert König herbertkoenig@gmx.net
wrote:
Thanks Ron for pushing.
The board needs that legitimation and Squeak (we) needs the board!
Well, yeah. If nobody can be bothered to spend 2 minutes clicking some buttons, then what is the point of us even trying to run this show?
Hi Tim,
This is a great community with terrific people. Part of the problem is that not everyone reads the list reguarly. We hoped to fix that by making the voting period around 2 weeks. Part of the problem may be that some emails didn't get delivered or ended up in SPAM. Most people will ignore that and move on with their life. My hope by pushing the issue is to help raise that issue a bit so that people that want to vote get a chance to make their voice heard. Hopefully I didn't overstate the urgency! We do have 4 days left to vote! Before this push we were at 75% of last years vote. Right now we are at 83% of last years vote.
I would like to thank you and all the past board members for all your work to help keep this community on track!
Ron
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim The enema of my enemy is my friend
-- Louis LaBrunda Keystone Software Corp. SkypeMe callto://PhotonDemon
Hi Ron,
Fair enough.
Lou
On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 15:41:46 -0500, Ron Teitelbaum ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
Hi Lou,
Thank you very much for wanting to vote! I've added you to the list for next year. Sorry, I can't let you vote this year but please remember to vote next year!
All the best,
Ron
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Louis LaBrunda Lou@keystone-software.com wrote:
Hi Ron,
Normally I don't vote because I spend most of my time with VA Smalltalk and haven't felt the right to tell full time Squeakers who should be on the board. But lately I have been doing more with Squeak and you make such a passionate appeal for people to vote that I have decided I will vote if I'm still welcome. So, please send me a ballot.
Louis LaBrunda Lou@Keystone-Software.com
Lou
On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 14:22:17 -0500, Ron Teitelbaum ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:23 PM, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 02-02-2018, at 5:46 AM, Herbert König herbertkoenig@gmx.net
wrote:
Thanks Ron for pushing.
The board needs that legitimation and Squeak (we) needs the board!
Well, yeah. If nobody can be bothered to spend 2 minutes clicking some buttons, then what is the point of us even trying to run this show?
Hi Tim,
This is a great community with terrific people. Part of the problem is that not everyone reads the list reguarly. We hoped to fix that by making the voting period around 2 weeks. Part of the problem may be that some emails didn't get delivered or ended up in SPAM. Most people will ignore that and move on with their life. My hope by pushing the issue is to help raise that issue a bit so that people that want to vote get a chance to make their voice heard. Hopefully I didn't overstate the urgency! We do have 4 days left to vote! Before this push we were at 75% of last years vote. Right now we are at 83% of last years vote.
I would like to thank you and all the past board members for all your work to help keep this community on track!
Ron
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim The enema of my enemy is my friend
-- Louis LaBrunda Keystone Software Corp. SkypeMe callto://PhotonDemon
I'm abstaining from voting because I have no idea who anyone on the list is aside from Bert off the top of my head. I'm also not even sure how to or where to vote nor am I sure of eligibility in the first place. That said, even if someone said to me, 'no it's okay, you can vote', it still wouldn't mitigate the fact that I'd be voting purely from a perspective of familiarity which would in turn undermine the legitimacy of voting at all.
I'm only responding because of the incredible push for voting in this election I keep seeing above and beyond regular Smalltalk-related posts. I suppose that happens in any election season though! :)
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Ron Teitelbaum ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
Hi All,
Not sure if I've mentioned this but IT"S TIME TO VOTE!
You may be asking why is Ron pushing so hard for people to vote?
We are on track to have our lowest vote count ever. The number of voters is going down year to year but the drop this year is significant. I'm sure we can do better!
Please let me know if you have trouble finding your ballot. I can resend it to you.
Thanks!
All the best,
Ron Teitelbaum
squeakland mailing list squeakland@lists.squeakland.org http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
On 02/03/2018 01:02 AM, Jeremy Landry wrote:
I'm abstaining from voting because I have no idea who anyone on the list is aside from Bert off the top of my head.
That's fair enough.
One of the lovely things about the voting method this community uses is that you are able to mark candidates with "don't care".
So for example, if Bert was the only person you were familiar with, and you also actively wanted to vote for him, you would rank Bert number 1 on your ballot, and then rank everyone else as "second equal".
This gives a signal that you favour Bert being on the board and otherwise don't care about its composition.
I'm also not even sure how to or where to vote nor am I sure of eligibility in the first place.
For me, there was a link to my ballot in the automated email I received.
Regards, Tony
Hi Jeremy,
If you do choose to vote, it will still be appreciated even if you vote neutral on most of the candidates. When you vote, it shows that you are out there and it shows that you care :-)
Dave
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 05:02:38PM -0800, Jeremy Landry wrote:
I'm abstaining from voting because I have no idea who anyone on the list is aside from Bert off the top of my head. I'm also not even sure how to or where to vote nor am I sure of eligibility in the first place. That said, even if someone said to me, 'no it's okay, you can vote', it still wouldn't mitigate the fact that I'd be voting purely from a perspective of familiarity which would in turn undermine the legitimacy of voting at all.
I'm only responding because of the incredible push for voting in this election I keep seeing above and beyond regular Smalltalk-related posts. I suppose that happens in any election season though! :)
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Ron Teitelbaum ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
Hi All,
Not sure if I've mentioned this but IT"S TIME TO VOTE!
You may be asking why is Ron pushing so hard for people to vote?
We are on track to have our lowest vote count ever. The number of voters is going down year to year but the drop this year is significant. I'm sure we can do better!
Please let me know if you have trouble finding your ballot. I can resend it to you.
Thanks!
All the best,
Ron Teitelbaum
squeakland mailing list squeakland@lists.squeakland.org http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
On 03-02-2018, at 7:32 AM, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote: If you do choose to vote, it will still be appreciated even if you vote neutral on most of the candidates. When you vote, it shows that you are out there and it shows that you care :-)
Exactly the point I wanted to make earlier. It’s nice to have some indication that the work one does is actually of value to others.
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: VDP: Violate Design Parameters
Hi Jeremy,
I am sorry about all the election email. Please let me know if you would like to vote I will add you for next year.
The candidates this year did a nice job of telling the community why they are running. Those can be helpful when deciding who to vote for.
All the best,
Ron
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Jeremy Landry hakyoku@gmail.com wrote:
I'm abstaining from voting because I have no idea who anyone on the list is aside from Bert off the top of my head. I'm also not even sure how to or where to vote nor am I sure of eligibility in the first place. That said, even if someone said to me, 'no it's okay, you can vote', it still wouldn't mitigate the fact that I'd be voting purely from a perspective of familiarity which would in turn undermine the legitimacy of voting at all.
I'm only responding because of the incredible push for voting in this election I keep seeing above and beyond regular Smalltalk-related posts. I suppose that happens in any election season though! :)
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Ron Teitelbaum ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
Hi All,
Not sure if I've mentioned this but IT"S TIME TO VOTE!
You may be asking why is Ron pushing so hard for people to vote?
We are on track to have our lowest vote count ever. The number of voters is going down year to year but the drop this year is significant. I'm sure we can do better!
Please let me know if you have trouble finding your ballot. I can resend it to you.
Thanks!
All the best,
Ron Teitelbaum
squeakland mailing list squeakland@lists.squeakland.org http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
Hi All,
Jeremy's thoughtful message below prompts me to suggest that we add two pages to Squeak.org, one for the election and another for members of the community to add mini bios with optional links to more extensive information, similar to the Pharo contributors list at https://pharo.org/about.
In fact, given that we have http://squeak.org/board/, why don't we have two versions, one for normal and one for the election period? We could add arguments for voting to persuade people like Jeremy that voting can be done for arbitrary reasons, as in any election, and that voting turnout is used to estimate active community size, and so we'd much rather have an ill informed or irrational vote than no vote at all :-)
_,,,^..^,,,_ (phone)
On Feb 2, 2018, at 5:02 PM, Jeremy Landry hakyoku@gmail.com wrote:
I'm abstaining from voting because I have no idea who anyone on the list is aside from Bert off the top of my head. I'm also not even sure how to or where to vote nor am I sure of eligibility in the first place. That said, even if someone said to me, 'no it's okay, you can vote', it still wouldn't mitigate the fact that I'd be voting purely from a perspective of familiarity which would in turn undermine the legitimacy of voting at all.
I'm only responding because of the incredible push for voting in this election I keep seeing above and beyond regular Smalltalk-related posts. I suppose that happens in any election season though! :)
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Ron Teitelbaum ron@usmedrec.com wrote: Hi All,
Not sure if I've mentioned this but IT"S TIME TO VOTE!
You may be asking why is Ron pushing so hard for people to vote?
We are on track to have our lowest vote count ever. The number of voters is going down year to year but the drop this year is significant. I'm sure we can do better!
Please let me know if you have trouble finding your ballot. I can resend it to you.
Thanks!
All the best,
Ron Teitelbaum
squeakland mailing list squeakland@lists.squeakland.org http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
Eliot,
Jeremy's thoughtful message below prompts me to suggest that we add two pages to Squeak.org, one for the election and another for members of the community to add mini bios with optional links to more extensive information, similar to the Pharo contributors list at https://pharo.org/about.
Squeak information has always been divided among different sites, like squeak.org, the swiki, squeaksource, the bug system, squeak news and there was one called Squeak People. The last one had mini bios (though the swiki does too) and a blog. It also implemented a "trust" system with the idea of using this to control the project after "Squeak Central" had gone away and before the Squeak Oversight Board was created.
Eventually the site went away and though there was an overlap with what we still have I think it has left a major hole in our community resources.
-- Jecel
On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 06:01:22PM -0300, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:
Eliot,
?? ?? Jeremy's thoughtful message below prompts me to suggest that we add two pages to Squeak.org, one for the election and another for members of the community to add mini bios with optional links to more extensive information, similar to the Pharo contributors list at??https://pharo.org/about.
Squeak information has always been divided among different sites, like squeak.org, the swiki, squeaksource, the bug system, squeak news and there was one called Squeak People. The last one had mini bios (though the swiki does too) and a blog. It also implemented a "trust" system with the idea of using this to control the project after "Squeak Central" had gone away and before the Squeak Oversight Board was created.
Eventually the site went away and though there was an overlap with what we still have I think it has left a major hole in our community resources.
-- Jecel
I had forgotten about "Squeak people" but here is the link to a swiki page about it:
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/8
This is page number 8 on the swiki, so it must be of fairly ancient provenance. IIRC there was also an actual web site for "squeak people" but I do not remember any details.
For me it is interesting to follow a few of the links on this swiki page. There is a listing of "Who's Where" that shows three people in Michigan, USA. I am one of the three, but I have never met the other two, both of whom apparently lived in the city of Ann Arbor at the time of the "Squeak people" listings. I now live in Ann Arbor myself, but I still have never met or spoken with any other Squeakers aside from other members of the Squeak oversight board who I now know from our video conference board meetings.
Dave
2018-02-04 2:01 GMT+01:00 David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com:
On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 06:01:22PM -0300, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:
Eliot,
?? ?? Jeremy's thoughtful message below prompts me to suggest that we add two pages to Squeak.org, one for the election and another for members of the community to add mini bios with optional links to more extensive information, similar to the Pharo contributors list at??https://pharo.org/about.
Squeak information has always been divided among different sites, like squeak.org, the swiki, squeaksource, the bug system, squeak news and there was one called Squeak People. The last one had mini bios (though the swiki does too) and a blog. It also implemented a "trust" system with the idea of using this to control the project after "Squeak Central" had gone away and before the Squeak Oversight Board was created.
Eventually the site went away and though there was an overlap with what we still have I think it has left a major hole in our community resources.
-- Jecel
I had forgotten about "Squeak people" but here is the link to a swiki page about it:
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/8
This is page number 8 on the swiki, so it must be of fairly ancient provenance. IIRC there was also an actual web site for "squeak people" but I do not remember any details.
For me it is interesting to follow a few of the links on this swiki page. There is a listing of "Who's Where" that shows three people in Michigan, USA. I am one of the three, but I have never met the other two, both of whom apparently lived in the city of Ann Arbor at the time of the "Squeak people" listings. I now live in Ann Arbor myself, but I still have never met or spoken with any other Squeakers aside from other members of the Squeak oversight board who I now know from our video conference board meetings.
Dave
Hi Dave,
unfortunately, http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/8.history shows a serious drop of interest after 2005...
Nicolas
David,
I had forgotten about "Squeak people" but here is the link to a swiki page about it:
Nice list! Odd that I am not there given
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/207
This is page number 8 on the swiki, so it must be of fairly ancient provenance. IIRC there was also an actual web site for "squeak people" but I do not remember any details.
If you delete a swiki page and then create a new one, it might reuse the old number. So while it is very likely that this was a very early page you can't be sure until you check the history (which starts in January 2000 for page 8).
The site I talked about can be found at
Please ignore all snapshots after May 14 2008 since that was the last time the site was actually running. It felt a bit like LinkedIn and help see who had joined recently and what people were doing.
At one point there was a list on SqueakLand that people could add their names to, but with a strict chronological order it only worked well in the begining but became pointless as the list grew too big (just like having 3000 comments on a video is worse than having 30).
For me it is interesting to follow a few of the links on this swiki page. There is a listing of "Who's Where" that shows three people in Michigan, USA. I am one of the three, but I have never met the other two, both of whom apparently lived in the city of Ann Arbor at the time of the "Squeak people" listings. I now live in Ann Arbor myself, but I still have never met or spoken with any other Squeakers aside from other members of the Squeak oversight board who I now know from our video conference board meetings.
There was a "meet up" site that people tried to use to organize local events. I think that other than a few meetings in London there was a not enough concentration of people to make it work. At one point Craig Latta was organizing some meetings in Silicon Valley - perhaps he could comment on how well those worked?
-- Jecel
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