I apologize for this coming through on the announcements mailing list. I hope everyone realizes that I did not send this. Several copies were received purportedly 'from' various community members. With the announcements list I have had a policy of moderating all messages, even those from subscribers. But in the last year or so I had begun to relaxen this somewhat by whitelisting anyone who sent messages regularly, this included myself. Clearly this was a mistake and I will now remove myself and everyone else from the whitelist and I will have to go back to moderating every single message.
Again, my apologies,
Ken Causey
-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Lawrence Auster ken@kencausey.com Reply-To: ken@kencausey.com To: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Squeak Announcements] Obama -- The Judas Goat Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:52:47 +0100
Obama -- The Judas Goat 1/25/2009 By David Duke
Hello Ken
Thank you for you efforts keeping the list running and no need to apologize to us for the occasional spam that does get through.
Joerg -----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Ken Causey Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:05 PM To: Squeak Devel List Cc: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org; box-admins Subject: [squeak-dev] Apology for offensive spam on annoncements list
I apologize for this coming through on the announcements mailing list. I hope everyone realizes that I did not send this. Several copies were received purportedly 'from' various community members. With the announcements list I have had a policy of moderating all messages, even those from subscribers. But in the last year or so I had begun to relaxen this somewhat by whitelisting anyone who sent messages regularly, this included myself. Clearly this was a mistake and I will now remove myself and everyone else from the whitelist and I will have to go back to moderating every single message.
Again, my apologies,
Ken Causey
-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Lawrence Auster ken@kencausey.com Reply-To: ken@kencausey.com To: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Squeak Announcements] Obama -- The Judas Goat Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:52:47 +0100
Obama -- The Judas Goat 1/25/2009 By David Duke
+1
Any way to just block the current offender and not change to constant monitoring? This is the first time I have seen something like this in years, so maybe it just isn't that big of a deal right now...
Rob
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Joerg Beekmann joerg@deepcovelabs.comwrote:
Hello Ken
Thank you for you efforts keeping the list running and no need to apologize to us for the occasional spam that does get through.
Joerg -----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Ken Causey Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:05 PM To: Squeak Devel List Cc: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org; box-admins Subject: [squeak-dev] Apology for offensive spam on annoncements list
I apologize for this coming through on the announcements mailing list. I hope everyone realizes that I did not send this. Several copies were received purportedly 'from' various community members. With the announcements list I have had a policy of moderating all messages, even those from subscribers. But in the last year or so I had begun to relaxen this somewhat by whitelisting anyone who sent messages regularly, this included myself. Clearly this was a mistake and I will now remove myself and everyone else from the whitelist and I will have to go back to moderating every single message.
Again, my apologies,
Ken Causey
-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Lawrence Auster ken@kencausey.com Reply-To: ken@kencausey.com To: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Squeak Announcements] Obama -- The Judas Goat Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:52:47 +0100
Obama -- The Judas Goat 1/25/2009 By David Duke
First let me clarify that although I Cc'ed Squeak-dev and believe this is the best place for the conversation, I was referring to the announcements list below which is the primary list for which I am responsible, and I don't moderate the squeak-dev list although I'm sort of there in the background as the box-admins team leader.
I have not taken the time to look through the samples of the spam I received but I suspect I would find that they came from a variety of hosts and likely leveraged one of the botnets. In any case even if they all claim from a specific host blocking that host would likely be of no benefit since even on DSL and cable (not to mention dialup services) the IP assignment occasionally expires and a new one is issued.
This issue is no different from fighting spam in general and is a constant battle that many many people fight every day with good but not complete success. I for one don't feel that we should be spending time on that battle but simply do our best to 'roll with the punches' so to speak and do the simplest thing possible to communicate and continue to do what we love and do best.
I agree that for now we should simply move on but perhaps give a little thought to what might be a workable alternative if this does turn into a real problem in the future.
Ken
On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 18:03 -0500, Rob Rothwell wrote:
+1
Any way to just block the current offender and not change to constant monitoring? This is the first time I have seen something like this in years, so maybe it just isn't that big of a deal right now...
Rob
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Joerg Beekmann joerg@deepcovelabs.com wrote: Hello Ken
Thank you for you efforts keeping the list running and no need to apologize to us for the occasional spam that does get through. Joerg -----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Ken Causey Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:05 PM To: Squeak Devel List Cc: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org; box-admins Subject: [squeak-dev] Apology for offensive spam on annoncements list I apologize for this coming through on the announcements mailing list. I hope everyone realizes that I did not send this. Several copies were received purportedly 'from' various community members. With the announcements list I have had a policy of moderating all messages, even those from subscribers. But in the last year or so I had begun to relaxen this somewhat by whitelisting anyone who sent messages regularly, this included myself. Clearly this was a mistake and I will now remove myself and everyone else from the whitelist and I will have to go back to moderating every single message. Again, my apologies, Ken Causey -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Lawrence Auster <ken@kencausey.com> Reply-To: ken@kencausey.com To: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Squeak Announcements] Obama -- The Judas Goat Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:52:47 +0100 Obama -- The Judas Goat 1/25/2009 By David Duke
Rob Rothwell pravi:
+1
Any way to just block the current offender and not change to constant monitoring? This is the first time I have seen something like this in years, so maybe it just isn't that big of a deal right now...
Problem is that the offender impersonated regularly subscribed guys in his spam, so he didn't need even to subscribe to the list.
For this he needed to find the e-mails of our guys. I suspect that he found their e-mails from list archives. Default Mailman list archives namely contain e-mail addresses while archives like Nabble not.
One of solution is therefore to switch off Mailman archives and use Nabble and similar only.
Janko
Rob
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Joerg Beekmann <joerg@deepcovelabs.com mailto:joerg@deepcovelabs.com> wrote:
Hello Ken Thank you for you efforts keeping the list running and no need to apologize to us for the occasional spam that does get through. Joerg -----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org <mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org> [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org <mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org>] On Behalf Of Ken Causey Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:05 PM To: Squeak Devel List Cc: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org <mailto:announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org>; box-admins Subject: [squeak-dev] Apology for offensive spam on annoncements list I apologize for this coming through on the announcements mailing list. I hope everyone realizes that I did not send this. Several copies were received purportedly 'from' various community members. With the announcements list I have had a policy of moderating all messages, even those from subscribers. But in the last year or so I had begun to relaxen this somewhat by whitelisting anyone who sent messages regularly, this included myself. Clearly this was a mistake and I will now remove myself and everyone else from the whitelist and I will have to go back to moderating every single message. Again, my apologies, Ken Causey -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Lawrence Auster <ken@kencausey.com <mailto:ken@kencausey.com>> Reply-To: ken@kencausey.com <mailto:ken@kencausey.com> To: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org <mailto:announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org> Subject: [Squeak Announcements] Obama -- The Judas Goat Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:52:47 +0100 Obama -- The Judas Goat 1/25/2009 By David Duke
Another measure would be to authenticate e-mail sent to the lists more strongly, with signing it with PGP or S/MIME (digital certs). Signed emails would be tagged as completely trusted, while others would go to a moderation list, or just tagged as untrusted.
This requires additional discipline from us the senders of email of course and this is a major drawback of this approach. But it seems we will soon be forced to do that otherwise not too hard additional setup of our mail clients to support PGP or S/MIME mail signing.
On the server side there is a project underway to upgrade Mailman list server (which we are using) to support such authentication:
Secure List Server: Mailman, PGP and S/MIME http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/mailman-ssls/pgp-smime/talk/mailman-pgp-smime-talk.txt The Secure List Server: an OpenPGP and S/MIME aware Mailman http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/mailman-pgp-smime/
Best regards Janko
Janko Mivšek pravi:
Rob Rothwell pravi:
+1
Any way to just block the current offender and not change to constant monitoring? This is the first time I have seen something like this in years, so maybe it just isn't that big of a deal right now...
Problem is that the offender impersonated regularly subscribed guys in his spam, so he didn't need even to subscribe to the list.
For this he needed to find the e-mails of our guys. I suspect that he found their e-mails from list archives. Default Mailman list archives namely contain e-mail addresses while archives like Nabble not.
One of solution is therefore to switch off Mailman archives and use Nabble and similar only.
Janko
Janko Mivšek escreveu:
Another measure would be to authenticate e-mail sent to the lists more strongly, with signing it with PGP or S/MIME (digital certs). Signed emails would be tagged as completely trusted, while others would go to a moderation list, or just tagged as untrusted.
This requires additional discipline from us the senders of email of course and this is a major drawback of this approach. But it seems we will soon be forced to do that otherwise not too hard additional setup of our mail clients to support PGP or S/MIME mail signing.
On the server side there is a project underway to upgrade Mailman list server (which we are using) to support such authentication:
Secure List Server: Mailman, PGP and S/MIME http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/mailman-ssls/pgp-smime/talk/mailman-pgp-smime-talk.txt The Secure List Server: an OpenPGP and S/MIME aware Mailman http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/mailman-pgp-smime/
Best regards Janko
Good evening.
I think that authenticating via PGP/PGP-MIME/S-MIME is useful to avoid faked mail.
I don't think that this spam that penetrated the list is a real big problem (unless it becomes frequent). Identification of the source can be useful to possibly help a member of this list to get rid of a Trojan or root kit that infected his computer. Besides, I strongly believe that people must be warned to be careful when forwarding e-mails from one list to another because if you don't strip headers and embedded email addresses you create potential risks for the list (since it is not that difficult to forge emails.
Best regards,
Casimiro
some communities do that already and this could be something to explore if we got more attacks.
stef
On Jan 26, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Janko Mivšek wrote:
Another measure would be to authenticate e-mail sent to the lists more strongly, with signing it with PGP or S/MIME (digital certs). Signed emails would be tagged as completely trusted, while others would go to a moderation list, or just tagged as untrusted.
This requires additional discipline from us the senders of email of course and this is a major drawback of this approach. But it seems we will soon be forced to do that otherwise not too hard additional setup of our mail clients to support PGP or S/MIME mail signing.
On the server side there is a project underway to upgrade Mailman list server (which we are using) to support such authentication:
Secure List Server: Mailman, PGP and S/MIME http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/mailman-ssls/pgp-smime/talk/mailman-pgp-smime-talk.txt The Secure List Server: an OpenPGP and S/MIME aware Mailman http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/mailman-pgp-smime/
Best regards Janko
Janko Mivšek pravi:
Rob Rothwell pravi:
+1
Any way to just block the current offender and not change to constant monitoring? This is the first time I have seen something like this in years, so maybe it just isn't that big of a deal right now...
Problem is that the offender impersonated regularly subscribed guys in his spam, so he didn't need even to subscribe to the list.
For this he needed to find the e-mails of our guys. I suspect that he found their e-mails from list archives. Default Mailman list archives namely contain e-mail addresses while archives like Nabble not.
One of solution is therefore to switch off Mailman archives and use Nabble and similar only.
Janko
-- Janko Mivšek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
If this is the first time in a year, then perhaps your reaction is too extreme. That was annoying, but I didn't find it any more than that, and your time is also valuable.
I appreciate the apology, but that's probably all that's appropriate (unless you can find a technical weakness that was breached).
Ken Causey wrote:
I apologize for this coming through on the announcements mailing list. I hope everyone realizes that I did not send this. Several copies were received purportedly 'from' various community members. With the announcements list I have had a policy of moderating all messages, even those from subscribers. But in the last year or so I had begun to relaxen this somewhat by whitelisting anyone who sent messages regularly, this included myself. Clearly this was a mistake and I will now remove myself and everyone else from the whitelist and I will have to go back to moderating every single message.
Again, my apologies,
Ken Causey
-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Lawrence Auster ken@kencausey.com Reply-To: ken@kencausey.com To: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Squeak Announcements] Obama -- The Judas Goat Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:52:47 +0100
Obama -- The Judas Goat 1/25/2009 By David Duke
Hi ken
It was clear that was not a Squeaker that wrote this shit. Don't worry.
Stef
On Jan 25, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Ken Causey wrote:
I apologize for this coming through on the announcements mailing list. I hope everyone realizes that I did not send this. Several copies were received purportedly 'from' various community members. With the announcements list I have had a policy of moderating all messages, even those from subscribers. But in the last year or so I had begun to relaxen this somewhat by whitelisting anyone who sent messages regularly, this included myself. Clearly this was a mistake and I will now remove myself and everyone else from the whitelist and I will have to go back to moderating every single message.
Again, my apologies,
Ken Causey
-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Lawrence Auster ken@kencausey.com Reply-To: ken@kencausey.com To: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Squeak Announcements] Obama -- The Judas Goat Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:52:47 +0100
Obama -- The Judas Goat 1/25/2009 By David Duke
Hi Stef and Squeakers,
Stef said:
It was clear that was not a Squeaker that wrote this shit.
Do you know or made any investigation about ideas related with been a Squeaker that serve to moredate/orientate/control the personality of a Squeaker? (e.g. my swiki have been violated many times by people that I know has knowledge about Squeak, no deep knowledge I must say, but approx. one year of "been a Squeaker" or so)
In the past I made studies trying to find a relation or pattern in common between smalltalkers and I found more evidence of bad attitudes than good attitudes in practice (under human pov). It was frustrating for me at that time, but it did not stop me. I invested more efforts trying to understand a relation between the smalltalk architecture/design/formula and how it affects persons and how they evaluate the results of their actions (in reality, not in the systems they build with smalltalk).
I think that Stef have not had the intention to promote a dialog about this topic, but it is something I am interested in, as a way to understand the changes in Smalltalk related communities in the last decade and the points of interest promoted by referents today.
cheers, Ale.
----- Original Message ----- From: "stephane ducasse" stephane.ducasse@free.fr To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Apology for offensive spam on annoncements list
Hi ken
It was clear that was not a Squeaker that wrote this shit. Don't worry.
Stef
On Jan 25, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Ken Causey wrote:
I apologize for this coming through on the announcements mailing list. I hope everyone realizes that I did not send this. Several copies were received purportedly 'from' various community members. With the announcements list I have had a policy of moderating all messages, even those from subscribers. But in the last year or so I had begun to relaxen this somewhat by whitelisting anyone who sent messages regularly, this included myself. Clearly this was a mistake and I will now remove myself and everyone else from the whitelist and I will have to go back to moderating every single message.
Again, my apologies,
Ken Causey
-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Lawrence Auster ken@kencausey.com Reply-To: ken@kencausey.com To: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Squeak Announcements] Obama -- The Judas Goat Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:52:47 +0100
Obama -- The Judas Goat 1/25/2009 By David Duke
I should say that I do not understand vandalism in general. I'm estonished by bad energy people can have. On our kids wiki in 1998 we got really stupid and ugly picture posted and I never understood so we just blocked the pages (but there were not smalltalkers I imagine).
Stef
On Feb 1, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Alejandro F. Reimondo wrote:
Hi Stef and Squeakers,
Stef said:
It was clear that was not a Squeaker that wrote this shit.
Do you know or made any investigation about ideas related with been a Squeaker that serve to moredate/orientate/control the personality of a Squeaker? (e.g. my swiki have been violated many times by people that I know has knowledge about Squeak, no deep knowledge I must say, but approx. one year of "been a Squeaker" or so)
In the past I made studies trying to find a relation or pattern in common between smalltalkers and I found more evidence of bad attitudes than good attitudes in practice (under human pov). It was frustrating for me at that time, but it did not stop me. I invested more efforts trying to understand a relation between the smalltalk architecture/design/formula and how it affects persons and how they evaluate the results of their actions (in reality, not in the systems they build with smalltalk).
I think that Stef have not had the intention to promote a dialog about this topic, but it is something I am interested in, as a way to understand the changes in Smalltalk related communities in the last decade and the points of interest promoted by referents today.
cheers, Ale.
----- Original Message ----- From: "stephane ducasse" <stephane.ducasse@free.fr
To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" <squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Apology for offensive spam on annoncements list
Hi ken
It was clear that was not a Squeaker that wrote this shit. Don't worry.
Stef
On Jan 25, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Ken Causey wrote:
I apologize for this coming through on the announcements mailing list. I hope everyone realizes that I did not send this. Several copies were received purportedly 'from' various community members. With the announcements list I have had a policy of moderating all messages, even those from subscribers. But in the last year or so I had begun to relaxen this somewhat by whitelisting anyone who sent messages regularly, this included myself. Clearly this was a mistake and I will now remove myself and everyone else from the whitelist and I will have to go back to moderating every single message.
Again, my apologies,
Ken Causey
-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Lawrence Auster ken@kencausey.com Reply-To: ken@kencausey.com To: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Squeak Announcements] Obama -- The Judas Goat Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:52:47 +0100
Obama -- The Judas Goat 1/25/2009 By David Duke
Hi Stéphane,
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:08 AM, stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@free.fr wrote:
On our kids wiki in 1998 we got really stupid and ugly picture posted and I never understood so we just blocked the pages (but there were not smalltalkers I imagine).
please clarify: do you really believe that a person using Smalltalk is "good" (in the pure ethical sense) by default? Your comments suggest this, I'd just like to know.
Best,
Michael
On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:17 AM, Michael Haupt wrote:
Hi Stéphane,
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:08 AM, stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@free.fr wrote:
On our kids wiki in 1998 we got really stupid and ugly picture posted and I never understood so we just blocked the pages (but there were not smalltalkers I imagine).
please clarify: do you really believe that a person using Smalltalk is "good" (in the pure ethical sense) by default? Your comments suggest this, I'd just like to know.
I don't see why this is such a stretch. Certainly, the generalization won't always be true... I'm sure that there exist Smalltalkers who get their kicks from crass vandalism, and we probably have more than our share of evil geniuses hatching schemes to extort beeellions of Euros (hi Tim!). However, it seems to me that Smalltalkers are more motivated by Truth and Beauty than the average programmer (they're certainly not in it for the most plentiful jobs or the biggest money!). If this is true, it follows that they're less likely to engage in Ugly Ugly website vandalism. I'm sure that Stephane doesn't mean to imply that Smalltalkers are perfect, infallible beings.
Cheers, Josh
Best,
Michael
Hi Joshua,
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Joshua Gargus schwa@fastmail.us wrote:
However, it seems to me that Smalltalkers are more motivated by Truth and Beauty than the average programmer (they're certainly not in it for the most plentiful jobs or the biggest money!). If this is true, it follows that they're less likely to engage in Ugly Ugly website vandalism.
Smalltalkers are first of all more motivated by truth and beauty in code, for given values of truth and beauty (**). That doesn't imply anything else, let alone anything about behaviour in different scenarios. Smalltalkers are people, too.
(**) Ask an experienced Haskell programmer about their notion of truth and beauty in code. The story will be quite different.
In German, we have a saying that goes "Wo man singt, da lass dich ruhig nieder, denn böse Menschen haben keine Lieder." (roughly translated: "Where there's singing, it's safe to stay, because bad people don't have songs."). This is a nice and naïve romantic attitude.
I simply object to phrases like "Someone hacked my web site. That couldn't have been a Smalltalker." because they are oversimplifying and untruly glorifying at the same time.
Call me a pessimist. That's fine with me. :-)
Best,
Michael
Stephane, There's a book of Eric Hobsbawm called "Bandits" (especially the updated Revised Edition) that you, or anyone interested in the topic, will enjoy to read. There's even a free french translation on-line here : http://www.editions-zones.fr/spip.php?page=lyberplayer&id_article=79
Hernán
2009/2/4 stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@free.fr
I should say that I do not understand vandalism in general. I'm estonished by bad energy people can have. On our kids wiki in 1998 we got really stupid and ugly picture posted and I never understood so we just blocked the pages (but there were not smalltalkers I imagine).
Stef
On Feb 1, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Alejandro F. Reimondo wrote:
Hi Stef and Squeakers,
Stef said:
It was clear that was not a Squeaker that wrote this shit.
Do you know or made any investigation about ideas related with been a Squeaker that serve to moredate/orientate/control the personality of a Squeaker? (e.g. my swiki have been violated many times by people that I know has knowledge about Squeak, no deep knowledge I must say, but approx. one year of "been a Squeaker" or so)
In the past I made studies trying to find a relation or pattern in common between smalltalkers and I found more evidence of bad attitudes than good attitudes in practice (under human pov). It was frustrating for me at that time, but it did not stop me. I invested more efforts trying to understand a relation between the smalltalk architecture/design/formula and how it affects persons and how they evaluate the results of their actions (in reality, not in the systems they build with smalltalk).
I think that Stef have not had the intention to promote a dialog about this topic, but it is something I am interested in, as a way to understand the changes in Smalltalk related communities in the last decade and the points of interest promoted by referents today.
cheers, Ale.
----- Original Message ----- From: "stephane ducasse" < stephane.ducasse@free.fr> To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" < squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Apology for offensive spam on annoncements list
Hi ken
It was clear that was not a Squeaker that wrote this shit. Don't worry.
Stef
On Jan 25, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Ken Causey wrote:
I apologize for this coming through on the announcements mailing list.
I hope everyone realizes that I did not send this. Several copies were received purportedly 'from' various community members. With the announcements list I have had a policy of moderating all messages, even those from subscribers. But in the last year or so I had begun to relaxen this somewhat by whitelisting anyone who sent messages regularly, this included myself. Clearly this was a mistake and I will now remove myself and everyone else from the whitelist and I will have to go back to moderating every single message.
Again, my apologies,
Ken Causey
-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Lawrence Auster ken@kencausey.com Reply-To: ken@kencausey.com To: announcements@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Squeak Announcements] Obama -- The Judas Goat Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:52:47 +0100
Obama -- The Judas Goat 1/25/2009 By David Duke
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