On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Chris Cunnington brasspen@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:11 PM, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 08:19:37PM -0500, Chris Muller wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Chris Cunnington brasspen@gmail.com wrote:
Jesus, that was an unpleasant tour of my own mind.
LOL!!!
I am not amused. We used to have a good web presence hosted on the excellent and well-supported Aida web framework.
That site was in need of updates to its content and design.
We now have a site that is running on software that seems to be poorly understood by most of us, including the one person in the community who is willing and able to work on it.
Updating a single broken link requires tortuous mental excursions? Really?!? And there is only one person who can do it? Seriously?!?
The link to squeaksource.com is updated.
Thank you.
You’re welcome. And thank you for saying thank you.
You’re rant is heartfelt, but pretty much wrong on every point. I don’t mind though, I think your rant is sort of transitional. Sometimes people complain when things are getting better. I had a history teacher, Mr. Godfrey, who made it clear that people don’t cry for revolution when they’re downtrodden. They do it when they have made a gain they don’t want to lose. You didn’t talk like this in 2012. And that you are talking like this is probably a good thing. You’re famous for being tactful. I don’t think I’ve seen you cut loose like this, so that’s all to the good.
Aida was a well supported web framework? Nope. Software always requires support. Ultimately there is no software only people to tend things. Janko had become staggering difficult to deal with. All efforts were made to accommodate him. No dice. Poorly understood software? I think that’s called growth. Altitude is cool. Xtreams is cool. It’s worth taking a few pains to grow and evolve things. Stasis, I’d say, was what helped contributed to some of the problems Squeak is working to recover from. A single broken link equals torturous mental excursions? Not really. I was in an off state of mind making problems for myself. You only know that, because if I make a mistake, it’s my policy to alert that community that something is amiss. I consider that being professional. My personality is my personality, but that is my policy.
I’d like to point out also, that with regards to the homepage, I’m changing the nature of silence. With the “well-supported Aida web framework” silence, which everybody could edit, but only one person could code changes into, it meant slow bit rot and everybody could feel it. Silence meant decay. Now things are different. I check the site every day. It’s like a 747 where there are long periods of nothing happening and then brief periods of turbulence, which I make you explicitly aware of. Silence now means ‘All is well’.
Only one person who can do it? Is that a problem? Only Janko could code Aida. I recall passing out the code for squeak.org. Tim’s looked it over. Do you like Xtreams? Yes? Well this is part of the process of growing towards incorporating them.
I cannot wait to hear what you’ve got to say about the SqueakMap server I’m still working on. Feel free to freak out about it, David. You’ll use it and be glad you did. And if I may so, the UI is shaping up pretty well. I’m shearing all the goggle-eyed-programmer-madness that usually infests user interfaces built by excellent programmers.
Keep your chin up. If you keep ranting, I’ll have to quote Tampico’s most famous son at you and say: “There you go again!”. (It worked on Jimmy.)
Chris
Dave
Hi,
we had an old Aida running on an old (pre cog, 3.x) Squeak image which was decided to be changed. AidaWeb had changed so the then current version wouldn't run the Squeak site. IIRC even Scribo (the CMS) had errors with the new Aida. I pointed out some of these errors but wasn't able to fix them within my time and knowledge. Janko didn't fix them so the Squeak site left Aida.
Until then Janko did most of the coding work. Now we have the situation that Chris does the coding work. Again mostly single person. Can't say if it was easier to contribute to the old site than it it is to contribute to the new site. But Squeak moved away from Aida for reasons I can understand very well.
Personally I miss the richness of of information on the old site but we couldn't keep it all up to date with the manpower we had. And I feel that complaints are resolved faster now than they where resolved then. Thanks Chris!
Cheers,
Herbert
p.s.
I had the same issue (having to update my own code several times to keep up with Aida) with my own projects. One day I stopped and they all use an old (6.1)version of Aida. Which I consider a great web framework with not enough backwards compatibility for my taste.
Am 14.08.2014 um 05:18 schrieb Chris Cunnington:
On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Chris Cunnington <brasspen@gmail.com mailto:brasspen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:11 PM, David T. Lewis <lewis@mail.msen.com mailto:lewis@mail.msen.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 08:19:37PM -0500, Chris Muller wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Chris Cunnington <brasspen@gmail.com mailto:brasspen@gmail.com> wrote:
Jesus, that was an unpleasant tour of my own mind.
LOL!!!
I am not amused. We used to have a good web presence hosted on the excellent and well-supported Aida web framework.
That site was in need of updates to its content and design.
We now have a site that is running on software that seems to be poorly understood by most of us, including the one person in the community who is willing and able to work on it.
Updating a single broken link requires tortuous mental excursions? Really?!? And there is only one person who can do it? Seriously?!?
The link to squeaksource.com http://squeaksource.com is updated.
Thank you.
You’re welcome. And thank you for saying thank you.
You’re rant is heartfelt, but pretty much wrong on every point. I don’t mind though, I think your rant is sort of transitional. Sometimes people complain when things are getting better. I had a history teacher, Mr. Godfrey, who made it clear that people don’t cry for revolution when they’re downtrodden. They do it when they have made a gain they don’t want to lose. You didn’t talk like this in 2012. And that you are talking like this is probably a good thing. You’re famous for being tactful. I don’t think I’ve seen you cut loose like this, so that’s all to the good.
Aida was a well supported web framework? Nope. Software always requires support. Ultimately there is no software only people to tend things. Janko had become staggering difficult to deal with. All efforts were made to accommodate him. No dice. Poorly understood software? I think that’s called growth. Altitude is cool. Xtreams is cool. It’s worth taking a few pains to grow and evolve things. Stasis, I’d say, was what helped contributed to some of the problems Squeak is working to recover from. A single broken link equals torturous mental excursions? Not really. I was in an off state of mind making problems for myself. You only know that, because if I make a mistake, it’s my policy to alert that community that something is amiss. I consider that being professional. My personality is my personality, but that is my policy.
I’d like to point out also, that with regards to the homepage, I’m changing the nature of silence. With the “well-supported Aida web framework” silence, which everybody could edit, but only one person could code changes into, it meant slow bit rot and everybody could feel it. Silence meant decay. Now things are different. I check the site every day. It’s like a 747 where there are long periods of nothing happening and then brief periods of turbulence, which I make you explicitly aware of. Silence now means ‘All is well’.
Only one person who can do it? Is that a problem? Only Janko could code Aida. I recall passing out the code for squeak.org http://squeak.org. Tim’s looked it over. Do you like Xtreams? Yes? Well this is part of the process of growing towards incorporating them.
I cannot wait to hear what you’ve got to say about the SqueakMap server I’m still working on. Feel free to freak out about it, David. You’ll use it and be glad you did. And if I may so, the UI is shaping up pretty well. I’m shearing all the goggle-eyed-programmer-madness that usually infests user interfaces built by excellent programmers.
Keep your chin up. If you keep ranting, I’ll have to quote Tampico’s most famous son at you and say: “There you go again!”. (It worked on Jimmy.)
Chris
Dave
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