[Seaside] another reason Rails gets market share andSeasidedoesn't

Blake blake at kingdomrpg.com
Wed Jul 18 20:27:25 UTC 2007

Hey, all:

	I think we're not debating the same thing, necessarily.

	Seaside should not be =gratuitously= complex. Smalltalk is an easy  
language to learn. Seaside doesn't need to be any more difficult than it  
needs to be to get the job done. I think these are sufficiently obvious  
platitudes to avoid controversy.

	I don't see why Seaside isn't for beginners, even raw beginners. HTML is  
simpler to grasp (and more limited, of course) than morphic. It's just a  
matter of presenting the right amount of information in the right order.

	Now, someone who's entrenched in other languages and frameworks--they're  
more likely to suffer than a raw beginner.


On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:59:27 -0700, Richard Eng <richard.eng at rogers.com>  

> Seaside may not be for beginners, but that does not mean you shouldn't  
> try to lower the entry barrier or minimize the learning curve. Even  
> experienced developers may have a hard time if they come from a Java or  
> C background.
> Not everyone in the world is an object-oriented guru.
> Seaside should not take an "elitist" position (an undesirable word I  
> pointed out in the "new Seaside homepage" thread). It should be  
> accessible to the
> broadest web development community. It should share the same aspirations  
> as Ruby on Rails, which is trying vigorously to conquer the world (and
> apparently making huge progress!).
> Richard
> On 7/18/07 12:45 PM, "Ramon Leon" <ramon.leon at allresnet.com> wrote:
>>> (Note that I am a veteran software developer. I've been
>>> writing software for over 20 years, mostly device drivers in
>>> C. Recently, I did a little bit of work with C# and .NET.)
>> Then you're not a newbie programmer, hence not who I was referring to.
>> Ramon Leon
>> http://onsmalltalk.com

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