[Seaside] SushiStore removed from Seaside

Roger Whitney whitney at cs.sdsu.edu
Thu Nov 22 14:04:03 UTC 2007

Examples are very important. People use them to learn how to use a  
system like Seaside. We need examples the size of SushiStore so people  
can see how to put together an application in Seaside. That said the  
core developers are doing a lot of work without maintaining SushiStore.

So we do need a core demo package that is as easy to find and download  
as the core Seaside. Which means we need someone to maintain the core  
demo package.

When people say that Sushistore is out of date are they talking about  
just the changes from Seaside 2.6 to 2.8 or are there major structural  
changes that need to be made to the example?

Roger whitney
Via iPhone

On Nov 22, 2007, at 7:24 AM, Robert Hawley <rhawley at plymouth.ac.uk>  

> Hi Sebastian
> I do want tools for teaching - ideally communal, standardised, well  
> chosen
> and easily available on the internet.
> I have the problem of having to cope with deprecated techniques -  
> seeing how
> existing examples need to be modified would make shifting over  
> easier for
> people like me. Having put a lot of effort into learning Seaside I  
> now find
> myself having to re-learn it for a third time - and to be blunt I am  
> a bit
> fed up.  I don't have anyone around me to teach me and I find it  
> very hard
> to filter through the mass of 'stuff' about it on the internet.  I  
> have
> produced images, hand-outs, examples etc.., and now I have to do it  
> yet
> again.
> If well chosen examples are available on the internet I (and many  
> others
> introducing Seaside) won't have to make images and load stuff time  
> and again
> when we want to show the product to people.
> The 'zero config' image you talk of needs to be shared by the whole
> community. It gives us something we can use for teaching and talk  
> about at
> conferences - and that people can later easily load up for themselves.
> I stand by my assertion that a well chosen inbuilt example (along  
> the lines
> of Sushi) is well worth having. Probably I am not the person to  
> write it - I
> am not yet in tune with the new ways. (However, I have spent some  
> time on it
> and am part of the way in.)
> If the gurus want a purist core, then perhaps we could have a demo  
> core also
> available in parallel?  It would be interesting to see which would get
> downloaded more often.
> Yours
> Bob
> --------------------
> Hi Bob,
>    ideas like features and framework practices can be learned from  
> code
> examples. If you recall, it was told here that the Sushi example  
> uses some
> deprecated techniques so it simply has no sense to have in the core  
> package
> potentially replicating deprecated practices. That way is simply too  
> easy to
> inadvertedly be teaching what is wrong. I'm sure you may know how  
> expensive
> is to un-teach what is teached wrong. So applying for this case the  
> criteria
> of "when in doubt refrain yourself" seems intelligent decision to me.
>    I imagine you want tools for teaching and is nothing wrong with
> that. In fact is great you are using this for teaching so note that  
> you can
> use it anyway if you still find it useful and you filter the wrong  
> part for
> your students  but have in mind that may be that is not the same  
> intention
> the Seaside team is having (due to be unable to filter the same you  
> will for
> every independent newcomer non one of your students among other  
> things).
>    If what you want is a zero config situation for your students, why
> don't you just load it in a fresh image to distribute among your  
> students?
> You can put other convenient examples for the way you plan to teach  
> too and
> also your own ones.
>    cheers,
> Sebastian Sastre
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