[Squeakland] Why not an "intermediary " list ?

[Kim Rose]

Hi Remi -

I don't see why this list can't 
support/participate in the kind of 
"conversation"/exploration you suggest.  I 
believe many Etoy users are also quite interested 
in extending capabilities and usage within Squeak 
-- into things like "Active Essays" and other 
forms of media that Squeak can support.

My main reason for pointing out that the 
"squeak.org" site is for a more technical 
audience is just as you point out -- there's a 
lot more "traffic" on that list and I would 
believe 90% of the content there is not of 
interest or relevant to this readership. 
However, I do think that threads re creating new 
Squeak-based "apps" would be of great interest. 
So, please, folks, let's explore these things.

Personally, I'd rather have "one list" for a 
variety of threads instead of a number of fora 
that I'll need to continually check/monitor, 
etc., but that's just my preference.

thanks, Remi!
Kim



>
>>
>>  Welcome!  I saw Tim Andrews already sent you a wonderful response,
>>  but I wanted to add my "welcome" and let you know that many
>>  home-educating parents are also "listening" and participating here.
>>  You're in the right place.  And, yes, the list can also be a resource
>>  for kids using Squeak, too!
>>
>>  The majority of participants in this list are
>>  "less-than-hacker-level" programmers and many are novices, so we are
>>  (mostly) using the "Etoy" part of Squeak -- the "tile based"
>>  interface allowing kids and adults an "entry" into the ideas of
>>  object oriented programming and more to their interest, generally,
>>  project making, model making, and simulation building.  Having some
>>  knowledge with Smalltalk is wonderful, however, but not necessary.
>
>Hello Kim,
>
>May I take this thread opportunity to ask a question about what I feel to be
>a lack in the Squeak community?
>Why is there not an intermediary list for "less than hacker level"
>programmers who want,  to go beyond the Etoy system and use all the
>potentialities of squeak? I know of course that the "main list" is open to
>newbies questions, but I'm afraid it is not really practical. The volume on
>the main list is huge (more than 150 mails on a week-end, sometimes!),and
>90%of the posts don't deal with topics suitable for newbies (in fact, to
>tell the truth, there are many times when I don't even understand what is
>the topic!). On the other end, squeakland is fine, but, AFAIK, is almost
>interested in Etoys and educational issues. I think there is definitively a
>place for an other list, dealing with squeak as a way to create
>applications, as an "idea processor" as Alan Kay names it, in order to
>interest people, who, like me, are not even professional programmers but
>want to use squeak as a way to express their ideas (I think of course
>especially about multimedia issues, such as Wonderland), but find frequently
>difficult the lack of documentation for their level (Yes, I have  the books,
>and I can say many questions remain unanswered!). Such a list would generate
>automatically, through its archives, a precious documentation..
>
>Of course, nothing forbids somebody (including me) to create such a list
>independantly at yahoogroups. But I suppose it would be better if it was,
>more or less, an "official" list...What do you think?
>
>Bye!
>Rémi
>
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