From: goran@krampe.se but do recall that the current Team model says that the assignment of team leaders is formally done by the board: http://www.squeak.org/Community/Teams/
Yes. I think that is a very effective mechanism in general. However, the elections team *may* (or may not) be special. Let me outline my thinking, and see what you think.
In essence, somebody needs to decide whether the Elections team is supposed to be independent of the Board (and visibly so) or whether it is to remain under the control of the Board. This is akin to the separation of powers between the legislature (those who make the laws), the executive (those who ensure that the laws are put into effect) and the judiciary (those who arbitrate in disputes about the laws) in some political systems, notably the American system (and notably not the English system, which is horribly confused). Such separation of powers is usually enshrined in some form of constitution, and is designed to ensure that no one part of the system can go on the rampage. Some parts of such systems are notoriously political - for example, who appoints the head of the judicial system?
At present, the Board can remove any member from any team and can assign team leaders - and are sometimes willing to use that power unilaterally, as Ken has recently demonstrated. There is no limit to the Board's power within the team system, and it is solely accountable to the wider community at some appropriate interval.
We (the community and the board, as the elections team has no standing at present) may wish matters to stay like that, or we may wish to put some checks and balances in place - for example, by separating out a group of people to devise a constitution and/or revise the voting process in the light of feedback. If that group is separated, we should think about matters such as separation of powers. We may want to construct some similar system. If this is the group that is presently the elections team, we may wish to make it independent of some of the normal team machanisms.
- Peter
"Peter Crowther" Peter@ozzard.org wrote:
From: goran@krampe.se but do recall that the current Team model says that the assignment of team leaders is formally done by the board: http://www.squeak.org/Community/Teams/
Yes. I think that is a very effective mechanism in general. However, the elections team *may* (or may not) be special. Let me outline my thinking, and see what you think.
I agree, it may be special. Just wanted to remind of the *current* model.
At present, the Board can remove any member from any team
No. The board can't "remove any member from any team". At least not that I am aware. :)
and can assign team leaders - and are sometimes willing to use that power unilaterally,
Not "can assign" - it is the board that *does assign*. After someone being willing to be a team leader that is, etc.
as Ken has recently demonstrated. There is no limit to the Board's power within the team system, and it is solely accountable to the wider community at some appropriate interval.
Mmmm, I don't agree. The team model explicitly says that the Team leader "is King" of the team.
We (the community and the board, as the elections team has no standing at present) may wish matters to stay like that, or we may wish to put some checks and balances in place - for example, by separating out a group of people to devise a constitution and/or revise the voting process in the light of feedback. If that group is separated, we should think about matters such as separation of powers. We may want to construct some similar system. If this is the group that is presently the elections team, we may wish to make it independent of some of the normal team machanisms.
- Peter
Yes, I agree - the election team may be special. I just haven't thought enough about it.
regards, Göran
goran@krampe.se wrote:
as Ken has recently demonstrated. There is no limit to the Board's power within the team system, and it is solely accountable to the wider community at some appropriate interval.
Mmmm, I don't agree. The team model explicitly says that the Team leader "is King" of the team.
Well, this named "king" has asked for either volunteers to run for leader instead of him, or this teams support. What say you?
Daniel
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