Squeak-dev October 1998

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Re: Thoughts for development from a lurker
by Brian Klump 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

> The problem now is to find someone willing to put in the effort to create > that separate package! Boris Shingarov has done this for OS/2 with a > package called Cheese, but a package which supported a cross-platform > toolkit (such as wxWindows) is probably the ultimate solution. Such a > package could be a great general-purpose free development environment, and > could be maintained in parallel with Squeak. I don't know enough about the "guts" of Squeak to even consider starting a project such as this, but on the topic of cross platform GUIs has anyone looked into Fltk at all? (http://fltk.easysw.com/) Just some more fuel for the fire.... -brian _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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2.2 for unix...
by Ian Piumarta 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

....is in the usual place. Please let me know if you notice any bizarreness with Cursors. Lack of space has forced me to compress the 2.0 and 2.1 trees -- sorry for any inconvenience that this might cause. Tchao, Ian ------------------------------- projet SOR ------------------------------- Ian Piumarta, INRIA Rocquencourt, Internet: Ian.Piumarta(a)inria.fr BP105, 78153 Le Chesnay Cedex, FRANCE Voice: +33 1 39 63 52 87 ----------------------- Systemes a Objets Repartis -----------------------

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Note of Squeak at LWN
by Travis Griggs 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

Hey, For those that didn't see it (it's too late now), last week's Linux Weekly News had a blurb about Squeak2.2 for Linux availability. It's cool to see Smalltalk show up next to some of the research minded Linux developments (Python, TCL, etc). Don't know who let the LWN guys know, but thanks. I think that kind of press is great for the Squeak community. -- Travis Griggs Key Technology tgriggs(a)keyww.com Member, Fraven Skreiggs Software Collective Status Quo Is Your Enemy

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Re: Sun's HotSpot
by Michael S. Klein 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

So, have multiple image formats/VM implementations. One for space... one for speed. -- Mike Klein mklein(a)alumni.caltech.edu On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Gerardo Richarte wrote: > > > On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jan Bottorff wrote: > > > Memory is REALLY cheap now. I can remember when I first > > heard about Self requiring a 64 meg SparcStation, and though only lunatic > > fringe researches had that much memory. My 2 main Intel boxes now have 128 > > and 256 meg of RAM, even my laptop has 40 meg. > > That's true, but still my PalmPilot has only 1M, and PDAs are very > interesting platform for running Squeak > > > Isn't the Java HotSpot technology the evolution of the Self > > compiler/run-time. My understanding is some of the Self developers formed a > > company called Anamorphic Systems, which produced a Java/Smalltalk product. > > Memoryless Bye! > Richie++ > >

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Sugar news
by Leandro Caniglia 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

This is a local new. But it is important for us, so I want to share it with you all. Next Saturday, Sugar will have it's first meeting 400 Km far from Buenos Aires in the beach city of Mar del Plata. Twenty smalltalkers from Buenos Aires are traveling there for our first session of "Itinerant Sugar". The University of Mar del Plata will receive us in the Magna Classroom of the Ingeniering Faculty. And I suspect that many notebooks will be opened with a MorphicWorld full marvelous things, those you call objects. Saludos, Leandro

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Re: Thoughts for development from a lurker (fwd)
by Leandro Caniglia 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

Bijan Parsia wrote: >Would you be interested in my hosting a mirror of those pages? Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please!!!!!! Saludos, Leandro PS: Squeak always makes me feel as in a wonderful dream

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Re: Thoughts for development from a lurker (fwd)
by Gerardo Richarte 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

Alan Kay said: > At 4:59 AM -0000 10/8/98, Mark Wai wrote: > -- snip -- > > >As a side note, I would have to say that Squeak is not only good for > >learning Smalltalk/OO but a good live document for computer science in > >general. I think Squeak would be an ideal environment to teach, demo, > >explore and even change/extend for any computer science class ranging from > >graphics, compiler, electronic music, internet programming, networking, .... > > This, in a nutshell, is one of our main nearterm goals -- especially (a) a > "total" environment, and (b) "a good live document for computer science in > general". > > All on the Squeak list, please think about helping this along over the next > year. > There is a Math course at Buenos Aires University that is using Squeak as blackboard... Do you want to see it? Take a look at http://www.dm.uba.ar/MathMorphs. There you'll find some BookMorphs, examples, and some work done by pupils on last year. Leandro Caniglia is the professor and you can reach him through this list. Leandro: I'm sorry, but I couldn't keep my mouth closed... Talkative Bye! Richie++

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Squeak outline on the Web, STP12/2.2 released
by Stephen Travis Pope 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

Hello all, 1) I've posted an html version of the Squeak 2.2 outline. (This is the text that used to be in all those little text windows in the image.) Have a look at, http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/Squeak2.2.outline.html Note that this is just the first pass; I hope to be able to do a better job of representing Smalltalk texts as HTML in a couple of days. The step after that will be to put a Smalltalk execution server on-line so that web-links can "do-it." I've also put the Siren 2.2 outline up in the same format at the URL http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/Siren2.2.outline.html This is a good introduction to Siren with lots of description and code examples. 2) I've ported the STP12 goodies collection to Squeak 2.2 and up-loaded the full sources (as BinHexed StuffIt and gzipped tar files) to the FTP site ftp://ftp.create.ucsb.edu/pub/Squeak/goodies/STP12 I'll put the pre-built images up there as soon as I can copy them off of my Mac (I can't connect to the net from where I am; I'll do it over the week-end.) There's also a Web page describing the STP12 goodies (and showing off pretty screen dumps of the new apps) in the page, http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/STP12.html Known bug: there's some screwy line-wrapping in the outline pages--I'm looking into this bug. enjoy! stp -- _ Stephen Travis Pope _ Center for Research in Electronic Art Technology (CREATE) _ Dept. of Music, Univ. of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) _ stp(a)create.ucsb.edu, http://www.create.ucsb.edu/~stp/

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Re: Thoughts for development from a lurker
by Brian Klump 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

---Stephen Travis Pope <stp(a)create.ucsb.edu> wrote: > > Brian Klump wrote: > > > I don't know enough about the "guts" of Squeak to even consider > > starting a project such as this, but on the topic of cross platform > > GUIs has anyone looked into Fltk at all? (http://fltk.easysw.com/) > > Just some more fuel for the fire.... > > This looks quite interesting, but is not that portable (i.e., no Mac support). > Actually, I'm on the mailing list, and they are working on a Mac port now. I noticed I forgot to mention that as soon as I hit then send earlier. :/ -brian _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: Thoughts for development from a lurker
by Doug Way 09 Oct '98

09 Oct '98

> At 4:29 PM -0400 10/7/98, Ken G. Brown wrote: > >One thing that might be holding back acceptance of Squeak is the unusual > >look and feel of the user interface. That along with perhaps the somewhat > >whimsical name 'Squeak'...maybe something like PowerRamboPRO- > >8thGeneration would do better for the masses, who knows? > On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Bijan Parsia wrote: > Frankly, I don't agree with your premise (i.e., that acceptance of Squeak > is being "held back")--after all, Squeak is (right now) a *research > project*. Of course, it's one in which many of us are doing useful work. > And a lot of people are experimenting with it. I still partially agree with Ken's premise... Squeak is still mostly a research project, but there are a fair number of people who'd like to use it for various purposes but are scared off by the unfamiliar UI. Someone mentioned Kaleidoscope and user-customizable interfaces as a possible future direction. For starters, some sort of basic user-customization options might be nice just for a few items such as the scrollbars. (maybe allow switching between flop-out scrollbars and fixed Morphic scrollbars...) Basically, I think it would be good to make Squeak as accessible as possible to the non-research developer community, and a few user-customization options to the UI would help a lot in that regard without compromizing Squeak in any significant way. (Myself, I've gotten used to the Squeak UI, and it's generally interesting to use something different from mainstream UI's and think about what makes it more or less usable. I love some things about it, such as being able to resize the panes in the browsers. (although it would be great if some panes could be specified as "fixed" such as the instance/class buttons) I still generally admire the Mac-based scrollbar as a model of simplicity rather than the Squeak flop-out, though... (Windows scrollbars are roughly the same as the Mac's). Squeak's having different movement modes depending on which thin vertical strip of the scrollbar you're in is the biggest problem for me, whereas concrete arrow buttons are more clear, no contest. Flop-out versus fixed is more of a "what you're used to" kind of thing... you could make the argument that flop-outs are improper because nothing else in the UI suddenly appears/dissappears as your mouse roams around. Flop-outs do save on screen real estate, though... but fixed scrollbars also give you a visual cue as to which panes have scrollable information at a glance (okay, a very minor advantage). The left-side versus right-side issue is less important than the previous two issues IMO, but I would concede that the left side is probably better because the cursor starts on the left side, more text tends to be on the left side, etc.) Okay, enough scrollbar analysis for one day. Also, I just noticed in the Getting Started window in 2.2, that there are special single-click bits of text which instantly execute a bit of code, or link to a web page. Very cool! - Doug Way dway(a)mat.net dway(a)transom.com http://www.transom.com

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