Squeak-dev July 1999

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Re: Celeste attachments handling improvements?
by Lex Spoon 29 Jul '99

29 Jul '99

Look at the popup menu in the top-right pane page--isn't there a "save message" option? That's how I've been using to handle MIME attachments I receive. It *would* be nice to have builtin MIME multipart support. And it's not even that complicated. Let's see... The first step would seem to be some sort of MultipartDocument that apps can stream a message into and get the parts out. It could work something like: doc _ MultipartDocument fromString: message bodyText. "message is a MailMessage" doc numParts. "ask how many parts there are" doc part: 2. "get the second part, perhaps as another MailMessage, perhaps as a new class" (doc part: 2) contentType. "get the content type of the second part" (doc part: 2) body content. "get the actual content" (doc part: 2) filename. "snag the filename that was put in the headers, if any" "..." Once the multipart parser is done, someone needs to update the Celeste UI. Ideally, attachments could show up as clickable text links that popup a menu, similar to URLs.... Lex mdr(a)scn.org (Mike) wrote: > Celeste does not presently handle attachments, which is OK unless you get a message containing neat stuff as an attachment. > > While the full answer is probably to implement full attachment handling in Celeste, it would be nice to be able to: > (1) Save the message in a file that I could open using, for example, Eudora and then work with the attachment from there > and > (2) Forward the message to some other mail account where I (or they) can read attachments. > > With the release 2.4 image these do not work. > > I do not understand enough about Mime or attachements to make much safe progress on this. If anyone can do it, or guide me, I would be very greatful! > > Mike

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re: Exceptions
by Paul McDonough 29 Jul '99

29 Jul '99

Off the top of my head, it seems reasonable to expect that the TFEI Exceptions package will not have to change much with the 2.5 release. I don't think we touch more than about 5 base methods anyway. When 2.5 is released, we will make it a priority at least to verify that it runs as well on 2.5 as it does on 2.4 (remember, we're not claiming it's perfect yet). We can't put a whole lot of cycles into it beyond that right now, but we would certainly like to try to enhance it a bit for the next release, as mentioned in the readme. Please feel free to toss feature requests at squeak(a)4thEstate.com. Paul McDonough, speaking totally unofficially for the TFEI Squeakers. >>Just curious, Anybody heard about new developments regarding Exceptions? Will they be implemented in Squeak 2.5? If so, will they follow the ANSI draft? Can we use Craig Latta's exception package in the meantime (till exceptions make it in the image) or another exception package (TFEI, Vassili Bykov, etc). What's the status on this long debated issue? ___________________________________ Benoit St-Jean Creative Technologies International lamneth(a)aei.ca (514) 871-8585 #234 <<

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Re: [SqT] Why so many Processes in my Squeak2.5test image?
by Mark A. Schwenk 29 Jul '99

29 Jul '99

Dan Ingalls wrote: > > Mark - > > allInstances will find instances that are no longer in use. Whenever you really care about enumerating active instances, precede your code by a garbage collection. In other words, you should evaluate > > Smalltalk garbageCollect. Process allInstances inspect > > Hope this helps > > - Dan > -------------------- Thanks for the quick response. Actually I had garbage collected and I still see lots of zombies. Is it just me or is something broken? 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Re: [ENH]Utility to show all Processes
by Mark A. Schwenk 29 Jul '99

29 Jul '99

The first version I sent out was susceptible to having garbage processes build up before the process list was iterated over. I have added a Smalltalk garbageCollect just before the list is printed to fix this problem. I'm sorry for the aggravation I may have cause others (and myself!). "Mark A. Schwenk" wrote: > > Here is a simple utility I have written to display the stack of all Processes. > > Someday it would be nice to extend this with a Morphic interface that could show the processes sorted in descending order by CPU usage, allow you to suspend processes, resume processes, terminate processes, connect to process with the debugger, etc. > > In the meantime, perhaps this will be useful to someone else, especially if you are running the multi-threaded PWS server and want to keep track of your processes. > > After filing in, execute > > Utilities processes > > to open a workspace showing the entire stack of each process. > > -Mark Schwenk > WellThot Inc. 'From Squeak 2.4c of May 10, 1999 on 28 July 1999 at 9:31:09 pm'! !ContextPart methodsFor: 'debugger access' stamp: 'mas 7/1/1999 22:38'! entireStack "Answer a String showing all contexts on my sender chain." | stackStream | stackStream _ WriteStream on: (String new: 55*30). (self stack) do: [:item | stackStream print: item; cr]. ^stackStream contents! ! !Utilities class methodsFor: 'support windows' stamp: 'mas 7/28/1999 21:30'! processes | s | s _ WriteStream on: (String new: 1000). Smalltalk garbageCollect. Process allInstances do: [ :p | p suspendedContext ifNotNil: [ s nextPutAll: (p suspendedContext entireStack); cr]]. (StringHolder new contents: s contents) openLabel: 'Processes' ! !

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[FIX] FileIn problem with nil organization
by Michael Rueger 29 Jul '99

29 Jul '99

Attached is a quick fix to work around the nil organization problem described in > When I tried to load a few fileOut's from my then-pending 2.5 image, > ClassBehavior classComment:stamp: whined with a Message Not > Understood classComment: as variable "organization" was nil. You should fileIn this fix before filing in any other code after applying the updates. Michael -- "To improve is to change, to be perfect is to change often." Winston Churchill +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Rueger | | Phone: ++1 (818) 623 3283 Fax: ++1 (818) 623 3559 | +--------Michael.Rueger.-ND(a)online.disney.com----------------+ 'From Squeak 2.4c of May 10, 1999 on 28 July 1999 at 6:19:01 pm'! !ClassDescription methodsFor: 'fileIn/Out' stamp: 'mir 7/28/1999 18:15'! classComment: aString stamp: aStamp "Store the comment, aString or Text or RemoteString, associated with the class we are organizing. Empty string gets stored only if had a non-empty one before." | ptr header file oldCommentRemoteStr | (aString isKindOf: RemoteString) ifTrue: [^ organization classComment: aString]. oldCommentRemoteStr _ self organization commentRemoteStr. (aString size = 0) & (oldCommentRemoteStr == nil) ifTrue: [^ organization classComment: nil]. "never had a class comment, no need to write empty string out" ptr _ oldCommentRemoteStr ifNil: [0] ifNotNil: [oldCommentRemoteStr sourcePointer]. SourceFiles ifNotNil: [(file _ SourceFiles at: 2) ifNotNil: [ file setToEnd; cr; nextPut: $!!. "directly" "Should be saying (file command: 'H3') for HTML, but ignoring it here" header _ String streamContents: [:strm | strm nextPutAll: self name; nextPutAll: ' commentStamp: '. aStamp storeOn: strm. strm nextPutAll: ' prior: '; nextPutAll: ptr printString]. file nextChunkPut: header]]. aStamp size > 0 ifTrue: [self commentStamp: aStamp]. organization classComment: (RemoteString newString: aString onFileNumber: 2). Smalltalk changes commentClass: self. ! !

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[BUG] 2.5test primitiveTable changes?
by Tim Rowledge 29 Jul '99

29 Jul '99

The prim table for the latest 2.5test has a couple of odd seeming changes related to sound prims. 182 is changed from primSampledSoundmixSampleCountintostartingAtleftVolrightVol(); to oldprimSampledSoundmixSampleCountintostartingAtleftVolrightVol(); and 185 is added as primSampledSoundmixSampleCountintostartingAtleftVolrightVol(); which would be ok if I could find any proper implementation of old.... The prims in this batch are created from the various AbstractSound subclasses, but none of them implement the old... version and there appear to be no changes to SampledSound in the recent upgrades. Typo? The 'offending' version is dated 'jm 7/9/1999 22:36' I claim that this is a good illustration of the advantages of a modularized VM :-) tim -- Useful Latin Phrases:- Sic faciunt omnes. Everyone is doing it. Tim Rowledge: rowledge(a)interval.com (w) +1 (650) 842-6110 (w) tim(a)sumeru.stanford.edu (h) <http://sumeru.stanford.edu/tim>

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RE: Mac filetype setting problem
by Raab, Andreas 29 Jul '99

29 Jul '99

The easiest way I found is (as a non Mac person who's not used to ResEdit and similar): * Rename it to 'Squeak.image' and 'Squeak.changes' * Put a VM in the same folder and just start it by double-clicking (it will automatically start a 'Squeak.image' if in the same folder) * Save it - this will set the file type / creator Andreas -- +===== Andreas Raab ========= (andreasr(a)wdi.disney.com) ==+ | Walt Disney Imagineering Phone: +1 818 544 5016 I I Glendale, CA Fax: +1 818 544 4544 I +======< http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~raab >========+ > ---------- > From: Tim Rowledge > Reply To: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 12:41 PM > To: Squeak mailinglist > Cc: recipient list not shown > Subject: Mac filetype setting problem > > I downloaded the squeak2.4c image/changes to my iMac via Netscape. Won't > run because they are 'Netscape Navigator' documents. > > What does one do to get around this irritating situation? > > tim > > -- > Why Dogs Hate WIn95:- 4) Saliva-coated mouse gets mighty difficult to > manuever. > Tim Rowledge: rowledge(a)interval.com (w) +1 (650) 842-6110 (w) > tim(a)sumeru.stanford.edu (h) <http://sumeru.stanford.edu/tim> >

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RE: Fwd: Quesa 0.0.2
by Raab, Andreas 29 Jul '99

29 Jul '99

Let's talk about this once we're getting there ;-) I'm still trying to figure out if there is any way of getting HW accelleration the way I want out of a Mac. Andreas -- +===== Andreas Raab ========= (andreasr(a)wdi.disney.com) ==+ | Walt Disney Imagineering Phone: +1 818 544 5016 I I Glendale, CA Fax: +1 818 544 4544 I +======< http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~raab >========+ > ---------- > From: Lawson English > Reply To: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 7:57 AM > To: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu > Cc: recipient list not shown > Subject: RE: Fwd: Quesa 0.0.2 > > Raab, Andreas <Andreas.Raab(a)disney.com> > > >In fact, if you look closely at > >Squeak-Alice then you'll notice that Squeak-Alice *is* a retained mode > >framework - and a pretty good one at this because it allows you to script > >arbitrary objects in the 3D world. That it is currently not at the same > >speed as other retained mode frameworks has nothing at all to do with > >Squeak-Alice. It is the immediate mode stuff which drops us in the > >framerate > >- everything in Squeak is currently run from software only, there is no > >hardware accelleration at all. > > > > Hmmm... > > What is the overhead of the retained-mode portion? My impression is that > once you DO get hardware acceleration support, the fact that the > retained-mode database is interpreted WILL be noticeable. In fact, I > suspect that it already is noticeable in some cases. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lawson English. Squeak, snore, etc. > Check out <http://www.squeak.org> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >

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RE: Fwd: Quesa 0.0.2
by Raab, Andreas 29 Jul '99

29 Jul '99

To be brief: 'Immediate mode' means you're getting directly onto the hardware. Your commands are executed directly there is no delay no higher-level representations. As an example, OpenGL (being mostly an immediate mode API) might display a triangle after the following sequence of commands: glBegin(GL_TRIANGLE); /* We want to draw a triangle */ glColor3f(1.0, 0.0, 0.0); /* the color of the first vertex */ glNormal3f(0.0, 0.0, 1.0); /* the normal of the first vertex */ glVertex3f(0.0, 0.0, 0.0); /* the first vertex position */ glColor3f(0.0, 1.0, 0.0); /* the color of the second vertex */ glNormal3f(1.0, 0.0, 1.0); /* the normal of the second vertex */ glVertex3f(1.0, 0.0, 0.0); /* the second vertex position */ glColor3f(0.0, 1.0, 0.0); /* the color of the third vertex */ glNormal3f(0.0, 1.0, 1.0); /* the normal of the third vertex */ glVertex3f(0.0, 1.0, 0.0); /* the third vertex position */ glEnd(); /* finished the triangle */ 'Retained mode' means you are setting up an object that will perform the rendering operation itself by calling the immediate mode stuff. Common objects are triangle meshes, nurbs surfaces etc. The retained mode framework frees you from having to go to the low-level code (that's what is good about it) and it usually includes functionality that is not related to actual rendering such as collision detection (which is also good about it) but of course, since the retained mode stuff is a general framework it is usually not optimized for specific applications - and that is why most game programmers don't use it. Thinking in terms of Smalltalk the 'immediate mode' is running byte codes and the 'retained mode' is using a class and its methods. And while I agree that the implementation of byte codes should be done in C/C++ I certainly don't agree on defining Smalltak classes in C++ ;-) Andreas -- +===== Andreas Raab ========= (andreasr(a)wdi.disney.com) ==+ | Walt Disney Imagineering Phone: +1 818 544 5016 I I Glendale, CA Fax: +1 818 544 4544 I +======< http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~raab >========+ > ---------- > From: Andrew C. Greenberg > Reply To: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 5:01 AM > To: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu > Cc: recipient list not shown > Subject: RE: Fwd: Quesa 0.0.2 > > >Jeff, > > > >Interfacing a retained mode framework from Squeak is - in my > understanding - > >a very, very bad idea. > > . . . > > >So, what I think we really need to have is ultra-fast immediate mode > >rendering with a highly flexible retained mode framework behind it. > > I'm pretty sure I worked out the gist of the meaning of these terms. > "retained mode framework" and "immediate mode" from the context. > However, a little knowlege is a dangerous thing, and I don't know > what I don't know about this stuff. Accordingly, I'd be obliged if > someone would offer definitions so I can be sure. >

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display depth 2 problem
by Peter Novak 28 Jul '99

28 Jul '99

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