Squeak-dev December 2004

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Re: [ANN] BabySRE (Squeak Reverse Engineering) posted on SqueakMap
by Trygve Reenskaug 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

Hannes, What is the name of the class? There is an ugly trap in MorphicModel class >> acceptsLoggingOfCompilation ^ self == MorphicModel or: [(name last isDigit) not] MorphicModel has many subclasses. Their method sources will not be saved if the class name ends in a digit!! I hope this is it. If not, we have more work to do. Good luck, --Trygve At 09:37 24.12.2004, you wrote: >In the 3.8gamma image where I have SRE working, > >I write for example the follwoing method: > > > showTab: anInteger > self removeMorph: currentTab. > currentTab := panes at: anInteger. > self > addMorph: currentTab > frame: (0 @ 0.1 corner: 1.0 @ 1.1) > > >After I have choosen 'Accept' the method is displayed as > >showTab: t1 > self removeMorph: currentTab. > currentTab := panes at: t1. > self > addMorph: currentTab > frame: (0 @ 0.1 corner: 1.0 @ 1.1) > >So parameters and local variables are replaced by other names (t1,t2,t3.....) -- Trygve Reenskaug mailto: trygver <at> ifi.uio.no Morgedalsvn. 5A http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~trygver N-0378 Oslo Tel: (+47) 22 49 57 27 Norway -- Trygve Reenskaug mailto: trygver <at> ifi.uio.no Morgedalsvn. 5A http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~trygver N-0378 Oslo Tel: (+47) 22 49 57 27 Norway -- Trygve Reenskaug mailto: trygver <at> ifi.uio.no Morgedalsvn. 5A http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~trygver N-0378 Oslo Tel: (+47) 22 49 57 27 Norway

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SM has passed 500 packages!
by goran.krampe＠bluefish.se 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

Hi people! Well, I just noticed SM is up to 506 packages and 241 accounts. Wow! And the funny silly bug that makes: http://map1.squeakfoundation.org/sm/recentnew ...barf has temporarily disappeared. :) cheers, Göran

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dispatchFunctionPointer in Interpreter>>executeNewMethodFromCache?
by Phil Hargett 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

I'm using a Squeak 3.8g 6527 image on Mac OS X. I've built my VM from Ian Pumarta's latest stable Unix VM sources. With those same sources, i've loaded the latest VM into my image and regenerated the VM sources. WIth the exception of a small number of other fixes that I understand, I can't figure out is supposed to happen when methods in the VM invoke dispatchFunctionPointer (and in some cases, dispatchFunctionPointerOnIn). The way I read this, the generated VM should just make a function call to a function passed as an argument (or looked up in a table using in an index). I found a reference in June '04 to John Mc putting "dispatchFunctionPointer" support into his VM, based on Tim's changes. Anybody have any idea what dispatchFunctionPointer and dispatchFunctionPointerOnIn should do? My VM doesn't link because these functions are missing. Thanks in advance!

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Swiki Admin
by Ruedi Steinmann 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

Who manages the Squeak Swiki at http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak? I wanted to upload a picture and need a password I was unable to find admin nor password. thanx

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SqueakFoundation box
by Cees de Groot 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

Because The InternetOne is going on an outsourcing trip early next year, and I don't know what services, if any, I will be able to provide for free to the Squeak community, *and* because I don't think that lots of useful services should not depend on a single guy/company, I have An Idea[tm]: I have some virtual Linux machines (the same sort that the squeakmap machine is currently operating on) running with Bytemark in the UK. It's a great company, good support, and they give 10% off on open source projects (I asked, we qualify). The idea is this: - I have setup a Paypal account under 'cg-sqf(a)cdegroot.com'. This Paypal account is exclusively to receive donations to fund the monthly subscription fee for this machine; - I order such a machine as soon as the first month (GBP 13.50) of donations is in (taking the risk for the rest of the months ;)); - I wil setup a Terminus-enabled site that will give everyone access to the Paypal account information (everyone = Journeyers and Masters, I think) for transparency purposes; - If there is a surplus beyond, say, the next 1 year of hosting, we'll discuss here what to do with it (probably send it to Squeak e.V.). Advantages: - If I go away, someone else can take the Paypal account and the subscription, everything keeps running; Disadvantages: - It'll cost the Squeak community a hunking 13.50 pounds per month... Vote with your wallet by sending money with Paypal to cg-sqf(a)cdegroot.com ; if this turns out to be a bad idea and only a bit of funds will come in, I'll send them back (by rejecting the paypal payments) or forward them to Squeak e.V. Regards, Cees

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[RANT] Come on people! ;)
by goran.krampe＠bluefish.se 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

Hi all! I have been reading and frantically writing the first WEEKLY report and I must say that the recent traffic on the list has been *quite disheartening*. Now, Tim of course said one of the most sensible things in all this: "What is the problem here? Do I need to spend my limited time and money to arrange a would tour to dopeslap some of you guys? Stop damn whining and get on with having fun." And I definitely agree. Let us STOP being so darn negative and get on with shaping up Squeak. Now... my take on all this is that it all boils down to people not realizing some "truths" in our community: - Squeak is a *diverse* community. Different people have different *focus* and are good at different things. We just have to ACCEPT THAT. Stop whining about "multimedia Squeak" or any other special direction you happen to care about. Noone likes whiners. Get off your butt instead and work in that direction. - Most of us aren't working full time on this. Or rather almost noone is. This means NOONE owes NOTHING to ANYONE. Ok? - Development follows a simple rule: If there is a Squeaker interested in something it gets worked at. Period. No, I said PERIOD. Ok, so the conclusion is what? Simple. If there is noone working on say "multimedia parts" of Squeak, then they will rot. It is *that simple*. And it doesn't help ONE DAMN BIT for one Squeaker to tell another Squeaker to "fix that". Noone owes anyone anything. So frankly - if there are people wining about parts in Squeak being neglected - WORK ON IT YOURSELF damnit! Or shut up. Finally, there is NOONE here trying to make it harder for multimedia Squeak. There is noone here that does NOT want "personal media" etc. We all want it. Really. Stephane and the guys are doing THE BEST THEY CAN. And so are everyone else involved here. There is NO NEED to throw negativity around. Really. Let's HELP EACH OTHER instead. If it all comes down to what packages are in Basic or Full then that is a SMALL PROBLEM. So the overall challenge is this: - How do we create a Squeak so that different directions can coexist together? Avoiding forks? Answer: Packages. Modularisation. And all that comes with it so that we can maintain "distros" or "images" in parallell and so that we can rely on the same base packages. This is standard obvious stuff people - repeat after me - packages, packages. I mean, there are almost 500 packages on SM today! Does anyone in his right mind really think all those could have been living happily together in a single damn image fed by an update stream?! No of course not. - And what happens when package X isn't being maintained properly and someone is sad about it? Answer: It bloody rots. But *so what*? If noone is prepared to maintain it then obviously noone cares. Let it rot I say! Bah! :) Now, everyone stop whining and get working on the stuff YOU care about. Sound? Graphics? Balloon3D? Great! Perfect! Cleaning up Compiler? Superb! Making the environment better? Yippi! Making SM the best coolest thing since sliced bread (with dependencies)? Yes! And in the end hopefully we can have a common small kernel image and add packages on top of it to end up in our own favourite little place. End of rant, over and out, Göran PS. Remember - the alternative with a dying silent Squeak community is much worse. Now we have a lively, but sure pretty confused and messy community. But that is better than none. Now we all just need to learn to cooperate a bit better and life will be good. :)

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[BUG] [BFAV] Jump to Post broken
by frank＠angband.za.org 27 Dec '04

27 Dec '04

I opened the PatchArchiveClient, went to the Closed tab and tried to jump to post 25911. Got an MNU: OrderedCollection>>atEnd on PAC's self listing (which is an OrderedCollection, not a Stream). frank The error report: 27 December 2004 5:39:55 pm VM: unix - a SmalltalkImage Image: Squeak3.8gamma [latest update: #6527] SecurityManager state: Restricted: false FileAccess: true SocketAccess: true Working Dir /usr/home/frank/squeak Trusted Dir /usr/home/frank/squeak/secure Untrusted Dir /usr/home/frank/squeak/untrusted OrderedCollection(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #atEnd Receiver: an OrderedCollection([BUG] Project pop-up menu (was Re: WTF!?!?! -- CRITICAL USABILITY PRO...etc... Arguments and temporary variables: aMessage: atEnd Receiver's instance variables: array: #([BUG] Project pop-up menu (was Re: WTF!?!?! -- CRITICAL USABILITY PROB...etc... firstIndex: 1 lastIndex: 682 PatchArchiveClient>>listingCollect: Receiver: a PatchArchiveClient Arguments and temporary variables: aBlock: [] in PatchArchiveClient>>jumpToPostWithId {[:aPost | aPost id]} collection: an OrderedCollection() Receiver's instance variables: dependents: #(a SystemWindow(885) a PluggableTextMorph(776) a PluggableTextMorp...etc... archive: a PatchArchive(sqFoundationArchive) listing: an OrderedCollection([BUG] Project pop-up menu (was Re: WTF!?!?! -- CR...etc... listingIndex: 72 prevIndex: 0 prevIndexForTab: a Dictionary(a PluggableTabButtonMorph(2887)->2 a PluggableTab...etc... groupSelector: #closedListingGroups bugListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([BUG] WhiskerBrowser and updating Catego...etc... unreviewedListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([FIX] ApplescriptDepMethod-fc (20...etc... reviewedListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([FIX] EnableKeystrokeEvent-nk (2004...etc... approvedListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([BUG][FIX] Using 'explain' in code ...etc... updateListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([FIX] revertAsExplorerString-dew (200...etc... closedListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([BUG] Project pop-up menu (2004-12-21...etc... allListingGroups: a SortedCollection([FIX] ApplescriptDepMethod-fc (2004-12-26T...etc... window: a SystemWindow(885) windowColor: nil searchFieldPane: nil nameRegexp: 'frank*' emailRegexp: '*@*' titleRegexp: '*' tabBarMorph: a PluggableTabBarMorph(2538) listMorph: a PluggableListMorph(1161) postDetailsMorph: a PluggableTextMorph(2665) statusPluggableTextMorph: a PluggableTextMorph(1722) statusText: ' (130/196) ' PatchArchiveClient>>jumpToPostWithId Receiver: a PatchArchiveClient Arguments and temporary variables: requestString: 'Enter the id of the post you''d like to jump to:' answer: '25911' allIds: nil id: 25911 post: nil index: 0 aPost: nil any: nil Receiver's instance variables: dependents: #(a SystemWindow(885) a PluggableTextMorph(776) a PluggableTextMorp...etc... archive: a PatchArchive(sqFoundationArchive) listing: an OrderedCollection([BUG] Project pop-up menu (was Re: WTF!?!?! -- CR...etc... listingIndex: 72 prevIndex: 0 prevIndexForTab: a Dictionary(a PluggableTabButtonMorph(2887)->2 a PluggableTab...etc... groupSelector: #closedListingGroups bugListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([BUG] WhiskerBrowser and updating Catego...etc... unreviewedListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([FIX] ApplescriptDepMethod-fc (20...etc... reviewedListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([FIX] EnableKeystrokeEvent-nk (2004...etc... approvedListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([BUG][FIX] Using 'explain' in code ...etc... updateListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([FIX] revertAsExplorerString-dew (200...etc... closedListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([BUG] Project pop-up menu (2004-12-21...etc... allListingGroups: a SortedCollection([FIX] ApplescriptDepMethod-fc (2004-12-26T...etc... window: a SystemWindow(885) windowColor: nil searchFieldPane: nil nameRegexp: 'frank*' emailRegexp: '*@*' titleRegexp: '*' tabBarMorph: a PluggableTabBarMorph(2538) listMorph: a PluggableListMorph(1161) postDetailsMorph: a PluggableTextMorph(2665) statusPluggableTextMorph: a PluggableTextMorph(1722) statusText: ' (130/196) ' PatchArchiveClient>>perform:orSendTo: Receiver: a PatchArchiveClient Arguments and temporary variables: selector: #jumpToPostWithId otherTarget: a PluggableListMorph(1161) Receiver's instance variables: dependents: #(a SystemWindow(885) a PluggableTextMorph(776) a PluggableTextMorp...etc... archive: a PatchArchive(sqFoundationArchive) listing: an OrderedCollection([BUG] Project pop-up menu (was Re: WTF!?!?! -- CR...etc... listingIndex: 72 prevIndex: 0 prevIndexForTab: a Dictionary(a PluggableTabButtonMorph(2887)->2 a PluggableTab...etc... groupSelector: #closedListingGroups bugListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([BUG] WhiskerBrowser and updating Catego...etc... unreviewedListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([FIX] ApplescriptDepMethod-fc (20...etc... reviewedListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([FIX] EnableKeystrokeEvent-nk (2004...etc... approvedListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([BUG][FIX] Using 'explain' in code ...etc... updateListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([FIX] revertAsExplorerString-dew (200...etc... closedListingGroups: an OrderedCollection([BUG] Project pop-up menu (2004-12-21...etc... allListingGroups: a SortedCollection([FIX] ApplescriptDepMethod-fc (2004-12-26T...etc... window: a SystemWindow(885) windowColor: nil searchFieldPane: nil nameRegexp: 'frank*' emailRegexp: '*@*' titleRegexp: '*' tabBarMorph: a PluggableTabBarMorph(2538) listMorph: a PluggableListMorph(1161) postDetailsMorph: a PluggableTextMorph(2665) statusPluggableTextMorph: a PluggableTextMorph(1722) statusText: ' (130/196) ' --- The full stack --- OrderedCollection(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #atEnd ...etc...

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UI issues
by Michael Latta 27 Dec '04

27 Dec '04

I have noticed a general UI styles in Squeak that I question. 1) The menu items in the system do not enable/disable based on context. For example you can set a gradient fill on a morph that does not support gradient fills. You can select "remove method" from a method list with no selection. 2) The menus are too tightly spaced, and in too small a font. This can make selecting the proper choice much more difficult. The Yes/No promps in particular create very small targets. This may have been done to allow menus on very small screens, but should be adjusted on regular displays. A padding between menu items would help a great deal in both usability and readability. 3) There are very long menus that require selecting "more..." to get the remaining selections. Has anyone thought about hierarchical menus that would bring more choices closer to the mouse point and be easier to both use and habituate on? In particular the use of circular menus would be more usable. Michael

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cannot install 6342-0340VocabSummary-nk
by Martin Drautzburg 27 Dec '04

27 Dec '04

When updating code from server. When loading 6342-0340VocabSummary-nk 22 December 2004 11:02:51 am VM: unix - a SmalltalkImage Image: Squeak3.8alpha [latest update: #6341] SecurityManager state: Restricted: false FileAccess: true SocketAccess: true Working Dir /usr/home/martin.projects/squeak/3.9 Trusted Dir /usr/home/martin.projects/squeak/3.9/secure Untrusted Dir /usr/home/martin.projects/squeak/3.9/untrusted EToyVocabulary class(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #morphClassesDeclaringViewerAdditions Receiver: EToyVocabulary

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[MC] post-loading action?
by stéphane ducasse 27 Dec '04

27 Dec '04

Hi all is there a post loading action in MC at the package level? Stef

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