Squeak-dev January 2007

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Re: Hello and a question about TextFieldMorph
by Jerome Peace 08 Jan '07

08 Jan '07

Hello and a question about TextFieldMorph Hello Javier, Very good discription of a problem that should be fixed. Could you please put a report on mantis? Here is the relevant FAQ: FAQ: Is this a known issue ? Where is the place to report bugs (or check if some have already been raised) ? The best place for this info would be to start a Mantis report. (You can get a mantis acct freely and easily). A good place to start is: http://bugs.impara.de/my_view_page.php Mantis provides a patient persistent way to focus on an issue. I use it to accumulate data on a problem until a solution can be found. It provides a place to alert the community to a problem; -accumulate facts and clues from the analysis; -publish preposed solutions and get feedback; -get solutions harvested and included into the main stream. This FAQ is also available at the Squeak wiki site. http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/Mantis%20FAQ%20and%20Tips aka: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5912 Mantis FAQ and Tips Yours in service, --Jerome Peace >Javier Reyes jreyes at gmail.com >Sun Jan 7 21:47:19 UTC 2007 wrote: > > >Hello Everyone, > >My name is Javier Reyes and I have just subscribed to this mailing list. I >live and work in Madrid, Spain. > >I am developing an application for a Magazine using Squeak. For a small text >box (which describes the contents of a page in the magazine) I use a >TextFieldMorph. Once initialized the Morph appears with an 'abc' text in the >upper left corner. That's fine for me. My problem comes when i delete the >last character of the TextMorph. At that moment the Morph changes its color >to the default light gray but the text that's written after that doesnt >appear in the top left corner anymore but one line below. >If I press Alt-0 the text goes back to the corner, but I want that behaviour >to be default. This "reset" doesnt happen either if I select the "abc" and >write some replacement text, only when the TextFieldMorph is emptied. > >Any help will be very welcome. Thanks in advance. > >All the best, > -Javier >- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[3.9-final-7067][SqueakMap Package Loader] Can't install AST
by Yakov 08 Jan '07

08 Jan '07

Thanks for the pointer, guys! Dave, I'm on 32 bit. Stef, I do use default image taken from the Squeak.org. I think I should really follow up to vm-dev mail list Thanks PS Sorry, I've forgotten to CC to the squeak-dev.. 2007/1/7, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr>: > may be you should try with a default image and use the squeaksource > file. > Squeaksource is better than Squeak map for certain operation. > Have a look at my video if you do not know how to use Monticello > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/Videos/ > > Stef > > On 7 janv. 07, at 15:58, Yakov wrote: > > > Yes, I don't think that something is wrong with *some* package! > > Exactly. I think something wrong with the network code or with > > SqueakMap Loader itself. Because "Pollable event" signals incorrect > > I/O handling in some situations IIRC. But you never know.. > > > > PS I'm on Solaris > > > > 2007/1/7, Marcus Denker <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch>: > >> > >> On 07.01.2007, at 09:18, stephane ducasse wrote: > >> > >> > Did you read the comments of the package because it seems to me > >> > that you should pay attention to the dependency > >> > I do not have the time to check now. > >> > > >> > >> > >> I checked: I have no problem installing th package AST in 3.9... (on > >> MacOS). AST has only two overrides that > >> should not be called when installing, so I don't think that the AST > >> package causes the crash. > >> > >> Marcus > >> > >> > Stef > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hi there, > >> >> > >> >> I've tried to install AST from the SqueakMap with latest > >> Squeak3.9- > >> >> final-7067 > >> >> Here are step I did > >> >> 1. Opened squeak ./ Squeak3.9-final-7067.image > >> >> 2. Opened SqueakMap Package Loader > >> >> 3. Found AST entry > >> >> 4. Pressed middle mouse button > >> >> 5. Selected install > >> >> and BOOM! Squeak exited and left me with the message "Pollable > >> >> event" in the terminal :( > >> >> > >> >> My configuration as follows > >> >> > >> >> $ uname -a > >> >> SunOS iru 5.10 Generic_118855-14 i86pc i386 i86pc > >> >> > >> >> bash-3.00$ squeak -version > >> >> 3.9-8 #6 Tue Oct 10 21:00:28 PDT 2006 gcc 3.4.3 > >> >> Squeak3.9alpha of 4 July 2005 [latest update: #7021] > >> >> SunOS solaris 5.10 Generic_118844-26 i86pc i386 i86pc > >> >> default plugin location: /usr/local/lib/squeak/3.9-8/*.so > >> >> > >> >> Squeak Image: Squeak3.9-final-7067.zip (ftp.squeak.org) > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> With best regards, Yakov Zaytsev <iakovz(a)gmail.com> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > With best regards, Yakov Zaytsev [|] <iakovz(a)gmail.com> > > > > -- With best regards, Yakov Zaytsev [|] <iakovz(a)gmail.com> -- With best regards, Yakov Zaytsev [|] <iakovz(a)gmail.com>

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Re: heading = forwardDirection + rotationDegrees (was Re: How can we deal with Message rot?)
by Jerome Peace 08 Jan '07

08 Jan '07

heading = forwardDirection + rotationDegrees (was Re: How can we deal with Message rot?) Hi Bert, Thanks for your thought on this. >Bert Freudenberg bert at freudenbergs.de >Wed Dec 27 14:14:12 UTC 2006 wrote: > >On Dec 27, 2006, at 6:36 , Jerome Peace wrote: >> more details of the heading etc. confusion >> can be found mantis >> >> http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=5674 >> >> 0005674: Why doesn't heading = forwardDirection + >> rotationDegrees for all morphs all the time? > >As far as I know, rotation and animation (that is, LOGO-style turtle >semantics) is only seriously used in Etoys. I think it only seems this way. First, I am making the assumption that by eToys you are refering to programming with tiles, Players etc. The larger realm of eToys also consists of morphs and their behavior (particular behavior in response to halo handles). So what affects programming with tiles spills over into morph considerations. >For most other UI users >it's merely a gimmick, so you would not need to worry about backwards >compatibility too much. Ok. thanx. >Etoys uses a very small set of messages >(manifest in the Player class). As long as you ensure this small >protocol does not break, Etoys should be fine. > >Now, Player is very careful to always figure out the "right" morph to >apply rotations to, depending on whether it wants to be "flexed" (in >a TransformMorph) or if it handles rotation itself etc. Etoys player would benifit greatly from knowing less about how a morph carries out its tilting responsibilities. That means establishing a consistent language and having all classes (and their programmers and maintainers) stick to it. This is the task of an oft promised but long overdue refactoring of morphic stuff. I haven't worked out the details but the notion I have is that it should be possible to say "player assuredFlexibleCostume heading: aHeading " and have the right thing happen. And maybe later "player assuredSimplestCostume" which would remove redundant renderers. >This is why >you see inconsistent behavior in the individual morph classes. But it shouldn't be that way. The responsibilities can be clearly defined and every morph would benifit. Many of the deep bugs I run into have the TransformationMorph decorator as their root. Lots of the gribble leaving problems come from a mismatch of assumptions between TfMorph ( which believes you can translate the origin into the 3rd quadrant) while every body else believes that truncate is the same as floor because all points are in the 1st quadrant. Clipping boxes get calculated wrong and are often of by one just when you need them not to be. Results: screen gribbles abound. >- inEtoys they are not used directly, but through the Player, and this is >why your equation does not hold for each individual morph. I think >you would have to eliminate TransformMorph completely, which might >complicate other Morphs - until now, that "ugly" transformation stuff >was factored out. As I look at the code I see constant attempts to worry about which morph is actually being talked to renderer or renderee. The code practically begs to be refactored. Its just a big job at the moment. I await enlightenment and inspiration. Meanwhile I am trying refactorings that lay the ground work for the simplification of the Tf mess. Yours in service, --Jerome Peace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [Help needed] Enhancing manits filter.
by Jerome Peace 08 Jan '07

08 Jan '07

[Help needed] Enhancing manits filter. Hi Brad, Thanks for the feedback. I guess that means the filters are local to my use. I'll see if I can ask Ken to help make them global. Yours in service, --Jerome Peace >Brad Fuller brad at bradfuller.com >Mon Jan 8 01:58:59 UTC 2007 wrote: >I only see "fixes" and "no filtering" as filters in the "View Issues" page. > >-- >brad fuller >www.bradfuller.com > >Jerome Peace wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I need some help in checking if the new mantis filters >> All_Reports >> and >> All_My_Reports >> >> are available to other logged in reporters. >> >> You can see: >> http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=5705 >> Summary 0005705: >> Request for two standard permanent filters to ease >> browsing for issues. >> <snip> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[Help needed] Enhancing manits filters.
by Jerome Peace 08 Jan '07

08 Jan '07

Hi all, I need some help in checking if the new mantis filters All_Reports and All_My_Reports are available to other logged in reporters. You can see: http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=5705 Summary 0005705: Request for two standard permanent filters to ease browsing for issues. For the motivation and usefulness of these enhancements. The named filters are available to me but since I am the one who saved them I need to know if they are available to others. They are not available anonymously because no named filters are. So I need someone who can log in to check and reply. Replying in the mantis report would be best and sufficent. Once I learn they are available to all I will announce to the list and add filtering tips to the swiki. Thanks in advance. Yours in service, --Jerome Peace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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List/subscription options
by Russ S 07 Jan '07

07 Jan '07

Can someone tell me if there are list/subscription option that I am overlooking? Other lists prefix the subject line with the list allowing a simple means to identify posts, but I cannot seem to find anything like that. Thanks.

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SETools Team Report Dec 2006
by Hans N Beck 07 Jan '07

07 Jan '07

Hi, nothing special to tell. Work on Gjallar continues. Regards Hans

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SqueakMap releases URLs changed to wiki.squeak.org
by goran＠krampe.se 07 Jan '07

07 Jan '07

Hi! I just ran a script on the SM server changing about 105 releases so that the download URLs point to wiki.squeak.org instead of minnow.cc.gatech.edu. So if you are having problems with installing packages it might be because they are hosted as attachments on the Squeak Swiki (which was moved) - in that case, update your map now. I also changed homepage URLs for packages in the similar way. If anyone experiences a problem related to this - email me. :) regards, Göran

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Re: [3.9-final-7067][SqueakMap Package Loader] Can't install AST
by Yakov Zaytsev 07 Jan '07

07 Jan '07

stephane ducasse wrote: > Did you read the comments of the package because it seems to me that > you should pay attention to the dependency Huh. Wherein should I pay attention to the dependencies? SqueakMap Package Loader holds them automatically. I've tried to install another package (Refactoring Engine) with same result $ squeak ./Squeak3.9-final-7067.image <VM exited> Pollable event Is there anybody else here with Solaris? Do you experience same trouble? > I do not have the time to check now. > > Stef > > >> Hi there, >> >> I've tried to install AST from the SqueakMap with latest >> Squeak3.9-final-7067 >> Here are step I did >> 1. Opened squeak ./ Squeak3.9-final-7067.image >> 2. Opened SqueakMap Package Loader >> 3. Found AST entry >> 4. Pressed middle mouse button >> 5. Selected install >> and BOOM! Squeak exited and left me with the message "Pollable event" >> in the terminal :( >> >> My configuration as follows >> >> $ uname -a >> SunOS iru 5.10 Generic_118855-14 i86pc i386 i86pc >> >> bash-3.00$ squeak -version >> 3.9-8 #6 Tue Oct 10 21:00:28 PDT 2006 gcc 3.4.3 >> Squeak3.9alpha of 4 July 2005 [latest update: #7021] >> SunOS solaris 5.10 Generic_118844-26 i86pc i386 i86pc >> default plugin location: /usr/local/lib/squeak/3.9-8/*.so >> >> Squeak Image: Squeak3.9-final-7067.zip (ftp.squeak.org) >> >> -- >> With best regards, Yakov Zaytsev <iakovz(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> >> > > -- With best regards, Yakov Zaytsev <iakovz(a)gmail.com> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE This email is intended only for the person named in the message header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is private and confidential. If you received it in error, please notify the sender and delete the entire message including any attachments.

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[3.9-final-7067][SqueakMap Package Loader] Can't install AST
by Yakov Zaytsev 07 Jan '07

07 Jan '07

Hi there, I've tried to install AST from the SqueakMap with latest Squeak3.9-final-7067 Here are step I did 1. Opened squeak ./ Squeak3.9-final-7067.image 2. Opened SqueakMap Package Loader 3. Found AST entry 4. Pressed middle mouse button 5. Selected install and BOOM! Squeak exited and left me with the message "Pollable event" in the terminal :( My configuration as follows $ uname -a SunOS iru 5.10 Generic_118855-14 i86pc i386 i86pc bash-3.00$ squeak -version 3.9-8 #6 Tue Oct 10 21:00:28 PDT 2006 gcc 3.4.3 Squeak3.9alpha of 4 July 2005 [latest update: #7021] SunOS solaris 5.10 Generic_118844-26 i86pc i386 i86pc default plugin location: /usr/local/lib/squeak/3.9-8/*.so Squeak Image: Squeak3.9-final-7067.zip (ftp.squeak.org) -- With best regards, Yakov Zaytsev <iakovz(a)gmail.com>

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