Why obsolete? Any application that may need a progress bar can use it.
Best, Marcel
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All progress bar uses in image is SystemProgressMorph which is used from MorphicUIManager.
Best, Karl
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:10 AM, marcel.taeumel Marcel.Taeumel@hpi.de wrote:
Why obsolete? Any application that may need a progress bar can use it.
Best, Marcel
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Imagine a wizard that wants to indicate progress to the user. Or a questionnaire. :)
Like this widget: http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qprogressbar.html
Maybe we need a PluggableProgressBar. I understand that the ProgressBarMorph used to be used to show system progress. Nevertheless, such a widget can be valuable for any application.
Best, Marcel
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Maybe it should be moved to MorphicExtras-Widgets ?
If it's in Morphic-Widgets it's seems like it's the standard progress widget, which it is not .
Best, Karl
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:49 PM, marcel.taeumel Marcel.Taeumel@hpi.de wrote:
Imagine a wizard that wants to indicate progress to the user. Or a questionnaire. :)
Like this widget: http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qprogressbar.html
Maybe we need a PluggableProgressBar. I understand that the ProgressBarMorph used to be used to show system progress. Nevertheless, such a widget can be valuable for any application.
Best, Marcel
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On 20.11.2015, at 23:37, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it should be moved to MorphicExtras-Widgets ?
If it's in Morphic-Widgets it's seems like it's the standard progress widget, which it is not .
It depends on what 'standard progress widget' means.
If it is the one I can just use in my mophic application, without anythin fancy, won't that be the 'standard widget'? And the one opened during system progress (using that Progress Notification thingy) be the system progress widget, hence, 'non-standard' (but special) widget?
just my 2ct
Best regards -Tobias
Best, Karl
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:49 PM, marcel.taeumel Marcel.Taeumel@hpi.de wrote: Imagine a wizard that wants to indicate progress to the user. Or a questionnaire. :)
Like this widget: http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qprogressbar.html
Maybe we need a PluggableProgressBar. I understand that the ProgressBarMorph used to be used to show system progress. Nevertheless, such a widget can be valuable for any application.
Best, Marcel
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ProgressMorph can by definition not be the standard widget since it is not used at all in the image.
Best, Karl
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
On 20.11.2015, at 23:37, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it should be moved to MorphicExtras-Widgets ?
If it's in Morphic-Widgets it's seems like it's the standard progress
widget, which it is not .
It depends on what 'standard progress widget' means.
If it is the one I can just use in my mophic application, without anythin fancy, won't that be the 'standard widget'? And the one opened during system progress (using that Progress Notification thingy) be the system progress widget, hence, 'non-standard' (but special) widget?
just my 2ct
Best regards -Tobias
Best, Karl
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:49 PM, marcel.taeumel Marcel.Taeumel@hpi.de
wrote:
Imagine a wizard that wants to indicate progress to the user. Or a questionnaire. :)
Like this widget: http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qprogressbar.html
Maybe we need a PluggableProgressBar. I understand that the
ProgressBarMorph
used to be used to show system progress. Nevertheless, such a widget can
be
valuable for any application.
Best, Marcel
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On 21.11.2015, at 18:51, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
ProgressMorph can by definition not be the standard widget since it is not used at all in the image.
But we're talking about Applications that are not in the base image, aren't we? It's like saying, "nobody in the Qt framework uses this widget, remove it", when actually, the users cannot be expected _within_ the framework but rather as users of the framework. Just because our bundled morphic tools/applications have no need for such a progress bar, does not mean that non-base-image applications have neither.
Marcel made the case for a simple "questionnaire application" where you would want to indicate progress throughout the questioning process. The system progress bar would be unfit, as it is designed to be used modally (see examples of both progress morphs).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not making the case for keeping things (the ProgressMorph in this case) just because, but to make sure we are not deprecating/obsoleting stuff that would count as framework outlet point or "public widgets".
:)
Best regards -Tobias
PS: some other widgets that are unused in the base image JoysickMorph is only in Flaps MorphHierarchy (?) SelectedObjectThumbnail BackgroundMorph BasicButton (And others in the MorphicExtras-Widgets category)
Best, Karl
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
On 20.11.2015, at 23:37, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it should be moved to MorphicExtras-Widgets ?
If it's in Morphic-Widgets it's seems like it's the standard progress widget, which it is not .
It depends on what 'standard progress widget' means.
If it is the one I can just use in my mophic application, without anythin fancy, won't that be the 'standard widget'? And the one opened during system progress (using that Progress Notification thingy) be the system progress widget, hence, 'non-standard' (but special) widget?
just my 2ct
Best regards -Tobias
Best, Karl
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:49 PM, marcel.taeumel Marcel.Taeumel@hpi.de wrote: Imagine a wizard that wants to indicate progress to the user. Or a questionnaire. :)
Like this widget: http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qprogressbar.html
Maybe we need a PluggableProgressBar. I understand that the ProgressBarMorph used to be used to show system progress. Nevertheless, such a widget can be valuable for any application.
Best, Marcel
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I moved them to MorphicExtras-Widgets
Best, Karl
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
On 21.11.2015, at 18:51, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
ProgressMorph can by definition not be the standard widget since it is
not used at all in the image.
But we're talking about Applications that are not in the base image, aren't we? It's like saying, "nobody in the Qt framework uses this widget, remove it", when actually, the users cannot be expected _within_ the framework but rather as users of the framework. Just because our bundled morphic tools/applications have no need for such a progress bar, does not mean that non-base-image applications have neither.
Marcel made the case for a simple "questionnaire application" where you would want to indicate progress throughout the questioning process. The system progress bar would be unfit, as it is designed to be used modally (see examples of both progress morphs).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not making the case for keeping things (the ProgressMorph in this case) just because, but to make sure we are not deprecating/obsoleting stuff that would count as framework outlet point or "public widgets".
:)
Best regards -Tobias
PS: some other widgets that are unused in the base image JoysickMorph is only in Flaps MorphHierarchy (?) SelectedObjectThumbnail BackgroundMorph BasicButton (And others in the MorphicExtras-Widgets category)
Best, Karl
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
On 20.11.2015, at 23:37, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it should be moved to MorphicExtras-Widgets ?
If it's in Morphic-Widgets it's seems like it's the standard progress
widget, which it is not .
It depends on what 'standard progress widget' means.
If it is the one I can just use in my mophic application, without
anythin fancy, won't that be the 'standard widget'?
And the one opened during system progress (using that Progress
Notification thingy) be the system progress widget, hence, 'non-standard' (but special) widget?
just my 2ct
Best regards -Tobias
Best, Karl
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:49 PM, marcel.taeumel Marcel.Taeumel@hpi.de
wrote:
Imagine a wizard that wants to indicate progress to the user. Or a questionnaire. :)
Like this widget: http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qprogressbar.html
Maybe we need a PluggableProgressBar. I understand that the
ProgressBarMorph
used to be used to show system progress. Nevertheless, such a widget
can be
valuable for any application.
Best, Marcel
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