Wouldn't it be better for the board to have its own mailing list?
a delayed response to: the <Towards 3.9.1 . Away from What?> thread.
Hi all,
Wouldn't it be better for the board to have its own mailing list for collecting agenda items?
Rather than rely on squeakpeople for communication.
Squeakpeople is a poor mechanism for communication. The difficulty in using it is reflected by its sparse use.
I had looked at the messages on squeak people breifly. Decided the agenda post was too out of date to be relied on and fell back on posting to squeak-dev where most of the attention is given.
Personally I find it deficient even in the most basic of things. Users can not even update their own password.
It's unique function is validating apprentices, journeyers and masters. And that is only exciting around election time.
A board mailing list might provide a better mechanism.
Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace
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Towards 3.9.1 . Away from What?
Ken Causey ken at kencausey.com Mon May 7 18:02:26 UTC 2007
On Sun, 2007-05-06 at 20:10 -0700, Craig Latta wrote:
Hi Jerome--
I am disappointed in the board for leaving a
vacuum
around an this issue. So I have brought it up
here.
You should also bring it up as a board meeting
agenda item[1], so
we can do something about your disappointment.
+1
Personally, I'm against people deciding on
their own to make
releases with official-sounding names.
+1
thanks,-C
[1]
http://people.squeakfoundation.org/article/64.html
Craig: This article is no longer even on the front
page. Perhaps every
3 months or so you could post a new call? Maybe
including a quick
summary of past discussed issues (since the last
call), or maybe just
links to the posted Board meeting summaries.
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On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 20:04 -0700, Jerome Peace wrote:
Wouldn't it be better for the board to have its own mailing list?
It does have it's own list:
board@lists.squeakfoundation.org
However, this is a private message board for internal discussion by the board members, although anyone is certainly welcome to send requests and comments to that address.
The agenda items though deserve public discussion. Certainly discussion can appear on this mailing list (squeak-dev) but it is often difficult for the board then to go through such a discussion and identify the a clear agenda. In my opinion, appending a comment to the Squeak People article
http://people.squeakfoundation.org/article/64.html
provides a compromise. Discussion is possible there, but tends to be much more on topic and organized than the spontaneous near-chaos of the mailing list.
Ken
Hi Ken,
Thanks for your reply.
The .../article/64.html URL has all of 3 posts to it; spanning less than a month in time and that month was October 2006. This indicates something.
I don't need know exactly what is wrong. Something IS wrong. Its not a place I would care to put something that needs to be attended to.
If the board needs a private list for private discussion, it also needs a public list for discussions with the public. A place for the public to post adgenda requests, And public discussions of adgenda topics and other board related topics. You could do it on squeak-dev but as you say its a haystack.
I look forward to seeing how you and the board resolve this.
Yours in curiosity and service, -Jerome Peace
--- Ken Causey ken@kencausey.com wrote:
On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 20:04 -0700, Jerome Peace wrote:
Wouldn't it be better for the board to have its
own
mailing list?
It does have it's own list:
board@lists.squeakfoundation.org
However, this is a private message board for internal discussion by the board members, although anyone is certainly welcome to send requests and comments to that address.
The agenda items though deserve public discussion. Certainly discussion can appear on this mailing list (squeak-dev) but it is often difficult for the board then to go through such a discussion and identify the a clear agenda. In my opinion, appending a comment to the Squeak People article
http://people.squeakfoundation.org/article/64.html
provides a compromise. Discussion is possible there, but tends to be much more on topic and organized than the spontaneous near-chaos of the mailing list.
Ken
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Hi Jerome--
The .../article/64.html URL has all of 3 posts to it; spanning less than a month in time and that month was October 2006. This indicates something.
I don't need know exactly what is wrong. Something IS wrong. Its not a place I would care to put something that needs to be attended to.
That's just silly. All it means is that people haven't been posting agenda items there. I read that page before every board meeting, and I've mentioned it here on squeak-dev repeatedly.
If the board needs a private list for private discussion, it also needs a public list for discussions with the public. A place for the public to post adgenda requests...
A mailing list would be horrible for that. A editable persistent site is the right thing.
...And public discussions of adgenda topics and other board related topics. You could do it on squeak-dev but as you say its a haystack.
I don't think a board mailing list would be any better. And if you think it's a haystack, just use a threaded reader. I recommend Mozilla Thunderbird's newsreader connected to news://news.gmane.org/comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general. Note this is not an invitation to have an endless discussion about mail and news readers (if one ensues, I will simply kill the resulting thread with my threaded reader :).
I look forward to seeing how you and the board resolve this.
Ken's not on the board, by the way (but I'm thankful for his suggestions).
thanks,
-C (board member)
squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
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Craig Latta -
Jerome Peace -
Ken Causey