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Richard A. O'Keefe ok@cs.otago.ac.nz said:
ftp to st.cs.uiuc.edu cd to /pub/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.2gamma/unix ls
There is only a 'debian'. I have SPARC Solaris 2.8. What do I do? Or is it too soon to try 3.2?
There's a tarball with the sources as well - it should contain the full
code
you need to build a VM. Please upload the result when you built it ;-)
Yes please! I can only say that I am even newbi-er in Linux! and that the building the VM process is a bit, well, scary.
We've been testing Nebraska and the EtoyListener and Sender at SqueakRos, sending live objects thru an intranet from and to Windows/Mac systems!! We'd love to test it in Linux too.
I know that an rpm would be too much to ask :D ... but could some good and kind soul please (please) upload a VM for Linux Intel? I guarantee this action will give you good karma for at least a week. :)
Saludos,
Martín
Hi!
--- Mart�n_Altobello malto275@arnet.com.ar wrote:
"Cees de Groot" cg@cdegroot.com escribi� en el mensaje news:a9gsgt$8td$1@home.cdegroot.com...
Richard A. O'Keefe ok@cs.otago.ac.nz said:
ftp to st.cs.uiuc.edu cd to /pub/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.2gamma/unix ls
There is only a 'debian'. I have SPARC Solaris 2.8. What do I do? Or is it too soon to try 3.2?
No, 3.2 is pretty soon officially blessed I think so it is quite ok right now, it is IMHO not too soon to try it. But you don't need a new VM for that - the 3.0 will do fine. I use the Debian packages (3.0 VM) with 3.2 (and 3.3alpha) images regularly. Ok, Richard wrote that not you... whatever.
There's a tarball with the sources as well - it should contain the full
code
you need to build a VM. Please upload the result when you built it ;-)
Yes please! I can only say that I am even newbi-er in Linux! and that the building the VM process is a bit, well, scary.
It's not that tricky but the Swiki page could use some more explicit explaining. I will see if I can add some, I have recently gotten my machine to build from SF. Yiha.
We've been testing Nebraska and the EtoyListener and Sender at SqueakRos, sending live objects thru an intranet from and to Windows/Mac systems!! We'd love to test it in Linux too.
I know that an rpm would be too much to ask :D ... but could some good and kind soul please (please) upload a VM for Linux Intel? I guarantee this action will give you good karma for at least a week. :)
There are RPMs (3.0) available: http://www.csc.tntech.edu/~skhanna/RPMs/Squeak/squeak.php ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.0/unix-linux/x86linux/RPMs/
And as I said, these should work with 3.x images.
regards, G�ran
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Beware! I had pulled down the src rpm from:
ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.0/unix-linux/x86linux/RPMs/
and was led to believe that gcc3 was required to build the VM. This basically led to 4 days of pain and frustration until someone else pointed out "gcc-3.x bad, gcc-2.96 good" (Thanks Ned!).
I have a working VM built from SF sources.
Also, be careful, if you start with the 3.0 vm/image and try to apply all the updates, it just blows up somepoint after warning you that a new VM is required...
H
On Thu, 2002-04-25 at 00:56, Göran Hultgren wrote:
Hi!
--- Martín_Altobello malto275@arnet.com.ar wrote:
"Cees de Groot" cg@cdegroot.com escribió en el mensaje news:a9gsgt$8td$1@home.cdegroot.com...
Richard A. O'Keefe ok@cs.otago.ac.nz said:
ftp to st.cs.uiuc.edu cd to /pub/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.2gamma/unix ls
There is only a 'debian'. I have SPARC Solaris 2.8. What do I do? Or is it too soon to try 3.2?
No, 3.2 is pretty soon officially blessed I think so it is quite ok right now, it is IMHO not too soon to try it. But you don't need a new VM for that - the 3.0 will do fine. I use the Debian packages (3.0 VM) with 3.2 (and 3.3alpha) images regularly. Ok, Richard wrote that not you... whatever.
There's a tarball with the sources as well - it should contain the full
code
you need to build a VM. Please upload the result when you built it ;-)
Yes please! I can only say that I am even newbi-er in Linux! and that the building the VM process is a bit, well, scary.
It's not that tricky but the Swiki page could use some more explicit explaining. I will see if I can add some, I have recently gotten my machine to build from SF. Yiha.
We've been testing Nebraska and the EtoyListener and Sender at SqueakRos, sending live objects thru an intranet from and to Windows/Mac systems!! We'd love to test it in Linux too.
I know that an rpm would be too much to ask :D ... but could some good and kind soul please (please) upload a VM for Linux Intel? I guarantee this action will give you good karma for at least a week. :)
There are RPMs (3.0) available: http://www.csc.tntech.edu/~skhanna/RPMs/Squeak/squeak.php ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.0/unix-linux/x86linux/RPMs/
And as I said, these should work with 3.x images.
regards, Göran
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El jue, 25-04-2002 a las 06:16, Hunter Kelly escribió:
Beware! I had pulled down the src rpm from:
ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.0/unix-linux/x86linux/RPMs/
and was led to believe that gcc3 was required to build the VM. This basically led to 4 days of pain and frustration until someone else pointed out "gcc-3.x bad, gcc-2.96 good" (Thanks Ned!).
I have a working VM built from SF sources.
Also, be careful, if you start with the 3.0 vm/image and try to apply all the updates, it just blows up somepoint after warning you that a new VM is required...
H
The same happened to me. I also knew about the 3.0 rpm but I needed 3.2gamma to keep group convention.
So, I decided to give it another try, I downloaded the .orig.tar.gz from the debian's ftp... and tried the configure, etc. ritual again, and this time it worked! Live and learn. :)
The only thing I did different was to have a "build" directory and typed the commands from there. That way I didn't get any errors - when I cd(ed) all the way up to /misc and then ./configure I got one error sqXWindow-something (more or less). So as it happens most of the times in this cases, (to me anyhow), it was a really stupid really small detail. Sorry about that.
Now I have Squeak3.2gamma up and running in Linux Mandrake 8.2. It looks a bit different and I have to get used to just one button and no scrool wheel, but it works! :D
Thank you all for the help.
Martín
On Thu, 2002-04-25 at 00:56, Göran Hultgren wrote:
Hi!
--- Martín_Altobello malto275@arnet.com.ar wrote:
"Cees de Groot" cg@cdegroot.com escribió en el mensaje news:a9gsgt$8td$1@home.cdegroot.com...
Richard A. O'Keefe ok@cs.otago.ac.nz said:
ftp to st.cs.uiuc.edu cd to /pub/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.2gamma/unix ls
There is only a 'debian'. I have SPARC Solaris 2.8. What do I do? Or is it too soon to try 3.2?
No, 3.2 is pretty soon officially blessed I think so it is quite ok right now, it is IMHO not too soon to try it. But you don't need a new VM for that - the 3.0 will do fine. I use the Debian packages (3.0 VM) with 3.2 (and 3.3alpha) images regularly. Ok, Richard wrote that not you... whatever.
There's a tarball with the sources as well - it should contain the full
code
you need to build a VM. Please upload the result when you built it ;-)
Yes please! I can only say that I am even newbi-er in Linux! and that the building the VM process is a bit, well, scary.
It's not that tricky but the Swiki page could use some more explicit explaining. I will see if I can add some, I have recently gotten my machine to build from SF. Yiha.
We've been testing Nebraska and the EtoyListener and Sender at SqueakRos, sending live objects thru an intranet from and to Windows/Mac systems!! We'd love to test it in Linux too.
I know that an rpm would be too much to ask :D ... but could some good and kind soul please (please) upload a VM for Linux Intel? I guarantee this action will give you good karma for at least a week. :)
There are RPMs (3.0) available: http://www.csc.tntech.edu/~skhanna/RPMs/Squeak/squeak.php ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.0/unix-linux/x86linux/RPMs/
And as I said, these should work with 3.x images.
regards, Göran
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On Tuesday 30 April 2002 03:52 pm, Martin Altobello wrote:
Now I have Squeak3.2gamma up and running in Linux Mandrake 8.2. It looks a bit different and I have to get used to just one button and no scrool wheel, but it works! :D
If you build the VM from the Sourceforge sources, you'll have the proper mouse wheel behavior and buttons.
Greetings,
El mié, 01-05-2002 a las 11:28, Ned Konz escribió:
On Tuesday 30 April 2002 03:52 pm, Martin Altobello wrote:
Now I have Squeak3.2gamma up and running in Linux Mandrake 8.2. It looks a bit different and I have to get used to just one button and no scrool wheel, but it works! :D
If you build the VM from the Sourceforge sources, you'll have the proper mouse wheel behavior and buttons.
I went to minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2173, followed the instructions and I obteined a new vm 3.2-4743.
Now the mouse wheel works fine and Squeak's looks is more familiar, but the second button brings up the halo, which isn't the same behavior as in Windows, you get a pop up menu (e.g. in the FileList, you can right click, then "file in").
Also, alt + left click doesn't bring up the halo, but alt + shift + left click.
Is that the proper behavior for the linux version? It's not big a deal, as I was "clicking" I discovered that if you press ctrl + left click you get the pop up menu too.
Regards,
Martín
On 2 May 2002, Martin Altobello wrote:
Now the mouse wheel works fine and Squeak's looks is more familiar, but the second button brings up the halo, which isn't the same behavior as in Windows, you get a pop up menu (e.g. in the FileList, you can right click, then "file in").
If by "second" you mean the right button, yes, that's the default behaviour in X.
Also, alt + left click doesn't bring up the halo, but alt + shift + left click.
If that's true, it's a bug.
Is that the proper behavior for the linux version? It's not big a deal, as I was "clicking" I discovered that if you press ctrl + left click you get the pop up menu too.
Yes, Ctrl-Click emulates the yellow button (menu), while Alt-click should behave as blue button (halo).
-- Bert
Bert Freudenberg bert@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de wrote:
On 2 May 2002, Martin Altobello wrote:
Also, alt + left click doesn't bring up the halo, but alt + shift + left click.
If that's true, it's a bug.
Perhaps the "alt" key is bound to something unexpected. The VM is currently keying in on "modifier 1". You can type "xmodmap" to see which key symbols will give you a mod1, and then you can use "xev" to see what keysyms each alt key results in. You can tinker with xmodmap to change these mappings if something seems to be amiss. Or perhaps you will be able to see an improved rule that Squeak could use?
Is that the proper behavior for the linux version? It's not big a deal, as I was "clicking" I discovered that if you press ctrl + left click you get the pop up menu too.
Yes, Ctrl-Click emulates the yellow button (menu), while Alt-click should behave as blue button (halo).
By the way, in some versions of the Unix VM, ctrl-click will come in as ctrl-yellow. In the most recent SF VM, ctrl-click is translated to yellow with *no* modifiers. The SF version allows you to truly operate with just one mouse button. However, it does take away ctrl-click. I don't know what the proper behavior should be; but if the mapping happens at all, it seems like the "ctrl" modifier should be removed.
(Likewise with alt, but alt-blue seems to do the same thing as blue by itself, anyway, so it doesn't matter in practice.)
-Lex
El dom, 05-05-2002 a las 21:50, Lex Spoon escribió:
Bert Freudenberg bert@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de wrote:
On 2 May 2002, Martin Altobello wrote:
Also, alt + left click doesn't bring up the halo, but alt + shift + left click.
If that's true, it's a bug.
Perhaps the "alt" key is bound to something unexpected. The VM is currently keying in on "modifier 1". You can type "xmodmap" to see which key symbols will give you a mod1, and then you can use "xev" to see what keysyms each alt key results in. You can tinker with xmodmap to change these mappings if something seems to be amiss. Or perhaps you will be able to see an improved rule that Squeak could use?
"xmodmap" says that mod1 is Alt_L (0x40). My "bash" doesn't understand "xev". humm... I think I'll just use the right button to get the halo :D
Is that the proper behavior for the linux version? It's not big a deal, as I was "clicking" I discovered that if you press ctrl + left click you get the pop up menu too.
Yes, Ctrl-Click emulates the yellow button (menu), while Alt-click should behave as blue button (halo).
By the way, in some versions of the Unix VM, ctrl-click will come in as ctrl-yellow. In the most recent SF VM, ctrl-click is translated to yellow with *no* modifiers. The SF version allows you to truly operate with just one mouse button. However, it does take away ctrl-click. I don't know what the proper behavior should be; but if the mapping happens at all, it seems like the "ctrl" modifier should be removed.
(Likewise with alt, but alt-blue seems to do the same thing as blue by itself, anyway, so it doesn't matter in practice.)
-Lex
Also, alt + left click doesn't bring up the halo, but alt + shift + left click.
If that's true, it's a bug.
It's probably the window manager. By convention, many X11 window managers use Alt-click for window manipulation (Alt+left click is often "raise window" or "move window").
Applications shouldn't be written to assume that they can use Alt+mouse. Try using one of the other keys, maybe the "Windows" key or the "menu" key as a modifier.
Tom
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I don't know if this will help but I simply got the latest [AFAIK] Linux VM from this address ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.1beta/linux-unix/ and then used the image, changes and sources from a Windows version I was using. It works fine under Mandrake8.0 running on an Intel box.
Regards
Chris
25-Apr-02 12:30:26 AM, Martín Altobello malto275@arnet.com.ar wrote:
"Cees de Groot" cg@cdegroot.com escribió en el mensaje news:a9gsgt$8td$1@home.cdegroot.com...
Richard A. O'Keefe ok@cs.otago.ac.nz said:
ftp to st.cs.uiuc.edu cd to /pub/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.2gamma/unix ls
There is only a 'debian'. I have SPARC Solaris 2.8. What do I do? Or is it too soon to try 3.2?
There's a tarball with the sources as well - it should contain the full
code
you need to build a VM. Please upload the result when you built it ;-)
Yes please! I can only say that I am even newbi-er in Linux! and that the building the VM process is a bit, well, scary.
We've been testing Nebraska and the EtoyListener and Sender at SqueakRos, sending live objects thru an intranet from and to Windows/Mac systems!! We'd love to test it in Linux too.
I know that an rpm would be too much to ask :D ... but could some good and kind soul please (please) upload a VM for Linux Intel? I guarantee this action will give you good karma for at least a week. :)
Saludos,
Martín
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