I thought fixing condenseSources was a relatively critical fix, so I'm adding it as a final update for 3.7gamma. (Plus a comment-only change to TwoWayScrollPane indicating that it's obsolete.)
Well, this fixes *a* problem with condenseSources, anyway... testing it just now with the gamma1 image, I'm seeing a different problem (nil isSeparator) which I don't think I was seeing with earlier images... sigh. Well, that will have to wait for 3.8, which will be a short release anyway.
No other critical-sounding bugs have come up for 3.7gamma, so this should be it. I'll release a gamma2 candidate image shortly, which includes these updates plus any appropriate Welcome Window changes from Marcus/Stephane's Full image.
- Doug
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5986CondenseSources-bg-dew -- Boris Gaertner and Doug Way -- 24 August 2004 Smalltalk condenseSources runs into an error that is caused by the fact, that the SourceFileVersionString is stored at two places - in SystemDictionary and in SmalltalkImage. This proposal removes SourceFileVersionString from SystemDictionary so that it's only stored in SmalltalkImage. Cleaned up for 3.7gamma. -dew"
5987TwoWayScrollComment-dew -- Doug Way -- 24 August 2004 Questions/problems have come up a few times recently about TwoWayScrollPane, which is now obsolete. This is simply a class comment change which makes it clear that it is obsolete."
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I've created the 3.7gamma2 candidate basic image (hopefully the one that will be final) and put it here:
http://update.squeakfoundation.org/external/Squeak3.7gamma2.zip
It contains the two latest updates plus a few welcome window cleanups from what Marcus did on the Full image. Also I fixed the Full/Basic/Guides links in the welcome text.
- Doug
On Thursday, August 26, 2004, at 11:45 AM, dway@mailcan.com wrote:
I thought fixing condenseSources was a relatively critical fix, so I'm adding it as a final update for 3.7gamma. (Plus a comment-only change to TwoWayScrollPane indicating that it's obsolete.)
Well, this fixes *a* problem with condenseSources, anyway... testing it just now with the gamma1 image, I'm seeing a different problem (nil isSeparator) which I don't think I was seeing with earlier images... sigh. Well, that will have to wait for 3.8, which will be a short release anyway.
No other critical-sounding bugs have come up for 3.7gamma, so this should be it. I'll release a gamma2 candidate image shortly, which includes these updates plus any appropriate Welcome Window changes from Marcus/Stephane's Full image.
- Doug
5986CondenseSources-bg-dew -- Boris Gaertner and Doug Way -- 24 August 2004 Smalltalk condenseSources runs into an error that is caused by the fact, that the SourceFileVersionString is stored at two places - in SystemDictionary and in SmalltalkImage. This proposal removes SourceFileVersionString from SystemDictionary so that it's only stored in SmalltalkImage. Cleaned up for 3.7gamma. -dew"
5987TwoWayScrollComment-dew -- Doug Way -- 24 August 2004 Questions/problems have come up a few times recently about TwoWayScrollPane, which is now obsolete. This is simply a class comment change which makes it clear that it is obsolete."
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Am 27.08.2004 um 07:17 schrieb Doug Way:
I've created the 3.7gamma2 candidate basic image (hopefully the one that will be final) and put it here:
http://update.squeakfoundation.org/external/Squeak3.7gamma2.zip
and Full: http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker/Squeak3.7g2Full.zip
Hi,
Thanks, this is at:
ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/pub/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.7gamma/Squeak3.7g2Full.zip
cheers
bruce
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:31:10AM +0200, Marcus Denker wrote:
Am 27.08.2004 um 07:17 schrieb Doug Way:
I've created the 3.7gamma2 candidate basic image (hopefully the one that will be final) and put it here:
http://update.squeakfoundation.org/external/Squeak3.7gamma2.zip
and Full: http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker/Squeak3.7g2Full.zip
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:31:10AM +0200, Marcus Denker wrote:
Am 27.08.2004 um 07:17 schrieb Doug Way:
I've created the 3.7gamma2 candidate basic image (hopefully the one that will be final) and put it here:
http://update.squeakfoundation.org/external/Squeak3.7gamma2.zip
and Full: http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker/Squeak3.7g2Full.zip
This looks good so far! The "Gentle Introduction to Smalltalk" is a very nice addition.
Here are a couple of small corrections for the Full image:
-> Worlds of Squeak -> Documentation -> A Gentle Introduction to Smalltalk -> Powerful Environment ==> A small spelling typo: s/Escellent debugger/Excellent debugger/
-> Worlds of Squeak -> The Net -> Quick Links ==> The workspace should open with the text scrolled to the top of the workspace.
Dave
Am 27.08.2004 um 16:13 schrieb David T. Lewis:
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:31:10AM +0200, Marcus Denker wrote:
Am 27.08.2004 um 07:17 schrieb Doug Way:
I've created the 3.7gamma2 candidate basic image (hopefully the one that will be final) and put it here:
http://update.squeakfoundation.org/external/Squeak3.7gamma2.zip
and Full: http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker/Squeak3.7g2Full.zip
This looks good so far! The "Gentle Introduction to Smalltalk" is a very nice addition.
Here are a couple of small corrections for the Full image:
Ok, fixed. fixed version up at:
http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker/Squeak3.7g2Full.zip
(didn't do any change in the version number for these changes)
Marcus
On 27/08/04 16:06, "Marcus Denker" denker@iam.unibe.ch wrote:
Am 27.08.2004 um 16:13 schrieb David T. Lewis:
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:31:10AM +0200, Marcus Denker wrote:
Am 27.08.2004 um 07:17 schrieb Doug Way:
I've created the 3.7gamma2 candidate basic image (hopefully the one that will be final) and put it here:
http://update.squeakfoundation.org/external/Squeak3.7gamma2.zip
and Full: http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker/Squeak3.7g2Full.zip
This looks good so far! The "Gentle Introduction to Smalltalk" is a very nice addition.
Here are a couple of small corrections for the Full image:
Ok, fixed. fixed version up at:
http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker/Squeak3.7g2Full.zip
(didn't do any change in the version number for these changes)
Marcus
Marcus, Steff: Very nice . Gentle Introduction to Smalltalk is a beautiful add, but we lost any beginner info about Games. Disappear from World of Squeak and no mention in Welcome. Also , more links about Squeak/Smalltalk would be nice. Here I contribute with my own collection and sure many members can add favorites. I copy paste from iCab, so sorry by too much Spanish
http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak Squeak!/minnow http://people.squeakfoundation.org/ Squeak People www.squeaksource.com SqueakSource http://209.143.91.36/super super Swiki http://brain.cs.uiuc.edu/CampSmalltalk CampSmalltalk: Camp Smalltalk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/squeak/ Yahoo! Groups : squeak http://coweb.cc.gatech.edu/cs2340/ CS2340 CoWeb http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/ The Squeak-dev Archives http://smalltalk-programming.com/ Smalltalk-Programming http://sourceforge.net/projects/squeak/ SourceForge: Project Info - Squeak http://squeak.cs.uiuc.edu/ http://squeak.cs.uiuc.edu/ http://st-www.cs.uiuc.edu/ UIUC Smalltalk Archive http://swiki.squeakfoundation.org/squeakfoundation Squeak Foundation Swiki http://swiki.squeakfoundation.org/stablesqueak Stable Squeak Swiki http://www.goodstart.com/greatquestions.html Smalltalk http://www.odellsoft.com/sunitbrowser/ SUnit Browser http://www.smalltalkchronicles.net/edition3-2/Pages/articles.htm Articles http://www.squeakland.org/ Squeakland
http://www.squeaknews.com/ SqueakNews
http://www.netjam.org/squat/releases/ Squat http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/languages/smalltalk/Smalltalk/Squeak/ Archivos de la Universidad de Washington http://www.esug.org/ ESUG http://www.smalltalking.net/Archive/index.htm Archivos historicos Smalltalking http://www.knowledgearchitects.net/squeakchannel/ Sitio Laurence Rozier http://members.aol.com/kgb1001001/Companion/Companion.htm The Design Patterns Smalltalk Companion
Argentina sites http://smalltalking.swiki.net/1 Smalltalking http://swiki.agro.uba.ar/small_land/ Swiki de la UBA http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/squeakRos/ SqueakRos / Grupo http://ar.geocities.com/edgardec2001/Welcome.html SqueakRos / Tutoriales
And a couple of bad news. I add the atached walkback , caused by exploring Squeak. Click on email reader don't work. Celeste and Scamper icons missing of Flap Tools
Am 28.08.2004 um 17:25 schrieb Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene:
Marcus, Steff: Very nice . Gentle Introduction to Smalltalk is a beautiful add, but we lost any beginner info about Games.
Yes, I did see this, and then decided to just stick the intro there. The games are easily availabe via the Objects Tool.
<Links>
You could put an a huge amout of time into improving that stuff that is in the image. (I personaly thing it needs to be completely redone)
But: We should release 3.7 *as soon as possible* and not spend now weeks on the full image. That needs to be done while there is time, not when there is no time.
And a couple of bad news. I add the atached walkback , caused by exploring Squeak.
Click on email reader don't work. Celeste and Scamper icons missing of Flap Tools
The package maintainer of the mail reader adviced to inlcude it just like that. How is it not working? It does not show any mail, but I think this is because you need to configure it.
Flaps: Tools are supposed to register themselves. If that not works, it's either a non-showstopper bug in the image or a bug in the package, both we can't do anything about right now.
attached debug-log: Is there a way to reproduce the bug? Does it happen often? Is it a complete show-stopping kind of bug?
Marcus
Am 29.08.2004 um 11:44 schrieb Marcus Denker:
Flaps: Tools are supposed to register themselves. If that not works, it's either a non-showstopper bug in the image or a bug in the package, both we can't do anything about right now.
So, looked at it. Seems either the tools or the registering-mechanism should do a
Flaps replaceToolsFlap.
after adding something to the flap. For now, I could do that manualy.
Marcus
On 29/08/04 06:44, "Marcus Denker" denker@iam.unibe.ch wrote:
Am 28.08.2004 um 17:25 schrieb Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene:
Marcus, Steff: Very nice . Gentle Introduction to Smalltalk is a beautiful add, but we lost any beginner info about Games.
Yes, I did see this, and then decided to just stick the intro there. The games are easily availabe via the Objects Tool.
<Links>
You could put an a huge amout of time into improving that stuff that is in the image.
(I personaly thing it needs to be completely redone)
But: We should release 3.7 *as soon as possible* and not spend now weeks on the full image. That needs to be done while there is time, not when there is no time.
And a couple of bad news. I add the atached walkback , caused by exploring Squeak.
Click on email reader don't work. Celeste and Scamper icons missing of Flap Tools
The package maintainer of the mail reader adviced to inlcude it just like that. How is it not working? It does not show any mail, but I think this is because you need to configure it.
Flaps: Tools are supposed to register themselves. If that not works, it's either a non-showstopper bug in the image or a bug in the package, both we can't do anything about right now.
attached debug-log: Is there a way to reproduce the bug? Does it happen often? Is it a complete show-stopping kind of bug?
Marcus
Marcus: Don't think I complaining about good stuff like Introduction to Smalltalk , I telling what Squeak should have better quality control. I do my little bit testing and have a buildup working with some of complaints solved
Avi says something about having different images by different authors.
This is a idea deserving exploring.
We could have a SwitzerlandChoco.image , ArgentineAsado.image or others flavors somewhere.
And asking again about a free site for putting stuff like this.
Cheers
Edgar
Am 29.08.2004 um 16:59 schrieb Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene:
Marcus: Don't think I complaining about good stuff like Introduction to Smalltalk , I telling what Squeak should have better quality control. I do my little bit testing and have a buildup working with some of complaints solved
Avi says something about having different images by different authors.
This is a idea deserving exploring.
We could have a SwitzerlandChoco.image , ArgentineAsado.image or others flavors somewhere.
And asking again about a free site for putting stuff like this.
Hi Edgar,
I just wanted to say sorry if my mail soundet somewhat unfriendly: The tests you are doing are important. We just need to make sure to release 3.7 ASAP, even if there are some minor glitches. We should try to have them fixed in 3.8.
Marcus
On Sunday, August 29, 2004, at 05:44 AM, Marcus Denker wrote:
Am 28.08.2004 um 17:25 schrieb Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene:
Marcus, Steff: Very nice . Gentle Introduction to Smalltalk is a beautiful add, but we lost any beginner info about Games.
Yes, I did see this, and then decided to just stick the intro there. The games are easily availabe via the Objects Tool.
<Links>
You could put an a huge amout of time into improving that stuff that is in the image. (I personaly thing it needs to be completely redone)
But: We should release 3.7 *as soon as possible* and not spend now weeks on the full image. That needs to be done while there is time, not when there is no time.
Agreed. We could allow a couple more days of testing but if no show-stopping bugs appear we should release the existing gamma2 images as 3.7 final.
Edgar's comments would be relevant for 3.8, though. Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff that could be done with the intro projects.
For what it's worth, I gave the g2Full image a quick test by opening all of the packages registered in the "open..." menu, and fiddling with them. Everything seems to be working. The only obvious problem I noticed was that the default page for Scamper ("browser:about") doesn't seem to work. Perhaps the default page should be changed to squeak.org or the swiki. (And I guess this means changing the package... the guides/harvesters should really have automatic co-maintainer access somehow to any SM packages registered as "Full". Maybe this should be a to-do for 3.8.)
Also, I don't know offhand how to set up Celeste to test it. Has anyone verified that Celeste works as included in the g2Full image?
- Doug
And a couple of bad news. I add the atached walkback , caused by exploring Squeak.
Click on email reader don't work. Celeste and Scamper icons missing of Flap Tools
The package maintainer of the mail reader adviced to inlcude it just like that. How is it not working? It does not show any mail, but I think this is because you need to configure it.
Flaps: Tools are supposed to register themselves. If that not works, it's either a non-showstopper bug in the image or a bug in the package, both we can't do anything about right now.
attached debug-log: Is there a way to reproduce the bug? Does it happen often? Is it a complete show-stopping kind of bug?
Marcus
Am 29.08.2004 um 21:11 schrieb Doug Way:
Agreed. We could allow a couple more days of testing but if no show-stopping bugs appear we should release the existing gamma2 images as 3.7 final.
Edgar's comments would be relevant for 3.8, though. Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff that could be done with the intro projects.
For what it's worth, I gave the g2Full image a quick test by opening all of the packages registered in the "open..." menu, and fiddling with them. Everything seems to be working. The only obvious problem I noticed was that the default page for Scamper ("browser:about") doesn't seem to work. Perhaps the default page should be changed to squeak.org or the swiki. (And I guess this means changing the package... the guides/harvesters should really have automatic co-maintainer access somehow to any SM packages registered as "Full". Maybe this should be a to-do for 3.8.)
I set the default page to squeak.org. The about: handling seems to be broken.
The (hopefuly) final image is at:
http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker/Squeak3.7Full.zip
This has no condensed changes.
Marcus
Am 30.08.2004 um 15:09 schrieb Marcus Denker:
Am 29.08.2004 um 21:11 schrieb Doug Way:
Agreed. We could allow a couple more days of testing but if no show-stopping bugs appear we should release the existing gamma2 images as 3.7 final.
Edgar's comments would be relevant for 3.8, though. Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff that could be done with the intro projects.
For what it's worth, I gave the g2Full image a quick test by opening all of the packages registered in the "open..." menu, and fiddling with them. Everything seems to be working. The only obvious problem I noticed was that the default page for Scamper ("browser:about") doesn't seem to work. Perhaps the default page should be changed to squeak.org or the swiki. (And I guess this means changing the package... the guides/harvesters should really have automatic co-maintainer access somehow to any SM packages registered as "Full". Maybe this should be a to-do for 3.8.)
I set the default page to squeak.org. The about: handling seems to be broken.
The (hopefuly) final image is at:
http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker/Squeak3.7Full.zip
In the "World of Squeak" I didn't change the headline over the introdiction from "games" to "documentation".
This needs the be fixed. I have no real net-connection till Friday, so I can't upload a new version till then.
Marcus
On Aug 31, 2004, at 4:19 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:
Am 30.08.2004 um 15:09 schrieb Marcus Denker:
Am 29.08.2004 um 21:11 schrieb Doug Way:
Agreed. We could allow a couple more days of testing but if no show-stopping bugs appear we should release the existing gamma2 images as 3.7 final.
Edgar's comments would be relevant for 3.8, though. Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff that could be done with the intro projects.
For what it's worth, I gave the g2Full image a quick test by opening all of the packages registered in the "open..." menu, and fiddling with them. Everything seems to be working. The only obvious problem I noticed was that the default page for Scamper ("browser:about") doesn't seem to work. Perhaps the default page should be changed to squeak.org or the swiki. (And I guess this means changing the package... the guides/harvesters should really have automatic co-maintainer access somehow to any SM packages registered as "Full". Maybe this should be a to-do for 3.8.)
I set the default page to squeak.org. The about: handling seems to be broken.
The (hopefuly) final image is at:
http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker/Squeak3.7Full.zip
The default browser page seems to be successfully changed in this image. (Also the welcome window title/headline fonts are fixed.)
However, for some reason it seems that the http://squeak.org and most other pages don't load when I open Scamper on its own or from a welcome window link. Does anyone else see this? The SM package loader seems to work fine, and the squeak.org and swiki pages work fine on browsers outside of Squeak.
- Doug
On 01/09/04 19:00, "Doug Way" dway@mailcan.com wrote:
The default browser page seems to be successfully changed in this image. (Also the welcome window title/headline fonts are fixed.)
However, for some reason it seems that the http://squeak.org and most other pages don't load when I open Scamper on its own or from a welcome window link. Does anyone else see this? The SM package loader seems to work fine, and the squeak.org and swiki pages work fine on browsers outside of Squeak.
- Doug
Doug> Not here. Squeak3.7g2Full.image load http://squeak.org when open scamper via world menu.
Start page what scamper looks are missing of our disks and this is a reason of error.
In Mac , .htm valid files saved on disk don't load (this a long time bug about handling Mac conventions and happen in BookMorph too).
For the record, commercial browsers don't agree what suppose be a correct path to .htm file on Mac .
Here I copy what I see:
file://localhost/Users/edgar/Public/SqueakDevelop/Helpzip/Help.htm (Internet Explorer)
file://localhost/Macintosh%20HD/Users/edgar/Public/SqueakDevelop/Helpzip/Hel p.htm (iCab)
file:///Users/edgar/Public/SqueakDevelop/Helpzip/Help.htm (Safari)
Edgar
On Thursday, September 2, 2004, at 06:13 AM, Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
On 01/09/04 19:00, "Doug Way" dway@mailcan.com wrote:
The default browser page seems to be successfully changed in this image. (Also the welcome window title/headline fonts are fixed.)
However, for some reason it seems that the http://squeak.org and most other pages don't load when I open Scamper on its own or from a welcome window link. Does anyone else see this? The SM package loader seems to work fine, and the squeak.org and swiki pages work fine on browsers outside of Squeak.
- Doug
Doug> Not here. Squeak3.7g2Full.image load http://squeak.org when open scamper via world menu.
It's working for me now on a different machine, a powerbook running OS X 10.2 with the 3.7.1Beta2 Carbon VM. The other machine was OS X 10.3 with a 3.7.2 VM, if that makes a difference. Or I suppose a slowness in connectivity could have shown up in Scamper but not in SM or outside of Squeak? I'll test that other machine again later.
But basically 3.7g2Full looks good so far.
- Doug
On Sep 2, 2004, at 6:16 PM, Doug Way wrote:
On Thursday, September 2, 2004, at 06:13 AM, Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
On 01/09/04 19:00, "Doug Way" dway@mailcan.com wrote:
The default browser page seems to be successfully changed in this image. (Also the welcome window title/headline fonts are fixed.)
However, for some reason it seems that the http://squeak.org and most other pages don't load when I open Scamper on its own or from a welcome window link. Does anyone else see this? The SM package loader seems to work fine, and the squeak.org and swiki pages work fine on browsers outside of Squeak.
- Doug
Doug> Not here. Squeak3.7g2Full.image load http://squeak.org when open scamper via world menu.
It's working for me now on a different machine, a powerbook running OS X 10.2 with the 3.7.1Beta2 Carbon VM. The other machine was OS X 10.3 with a 3.7.2 VM, if that makes a difference. Or I suppose a slowness in connectivity could have shown up in Scamper but not in SM or outside of Squeak? I'll test that other machine again later.
Testing a bit more, it turns out the problem was the 3.7.2 VM. The 3.7.4 carbon VM works fine. Probably the dreaded primitiveYield problem which was fixed in VMMaker awhile back.
- Doug
Hi,
This now lives on the ftp server at:
ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/pub/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.7gamma/Squeak3.7gamma2.zip
Thanks!
cheers
bruce
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 01:17:44AM -0400, Doug Way wrote:
I've created the 3.7gamma2 candidate basic image (hopefully the one that will be final) and put it here:
http://update.squeakfoundation.org/external/Squeak3.7gamma2.zip
It contains the two latest updates plus a few welcome window cleanups from what Marcus did on the Full image. Also I fixed the Full/Basic/Guides links in the welcome text.
- Doug
On Thursday, August 26, 2004, at 11:45 AM, dway@mailcan.com wrote:
I thought fixing condenseSources was a relatively critical fix, so I'm adding it as a final update for 3.7gamma. (Plus a comment-only change to TwoWayScrollPane indicating that it's obsolete.)
Well, this fixes *a* problem with condenseSources, anyway... testing it just now with the gamma1 image, I'm seeing a different problem (nil isSeparator) which I don't think I was seeing with earlier images... sigh. Well, that will have to wait for 3.8, which will be a short release anyway.
No other critical-sounding bugs have come up for 3.7gamma, so this should be it. I'll release a gamma2 candidate image shortly, which includes these updates plus any appropriate Welcome Window changes from Marcus/Stephane's Full image.
- Doug
5986CondenseSources-bg-dew -- Boris Gaertner and Doug Way -- 24 August 2004 Smalltalk condenseSources runs into an error that is caused by the fact, that the SourceFileVersionString is stored at two places - in SystemDictionary and in SmalltalkImage. This proposal removes SourceFileVersionString from SystemDictionary so that it's only stored in SmalltalkImage. Cleaned up for 3.7gamma. -dew"
5987TwoWayScrollComment-dew -- Doug Way -- 24 August 2004 Questions/problems have come up a few times recently about TwoWayScrollPane, which is now obsolete. This is simply a class comment change which makes it clear that it is obsolete."
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