Hi Igor,

Igor Stasenko wrote:

+1

I can help with translation on Russian. And some people from http://smalltalk.ru/ may help too, i think :)

So you could be able to form a Russian language sub-community and maintain content long-term?

I don't want to discourage anyone but I think every sub-community need to promise that. Promise to really maintain the content and really maintain it long-term. Otherwise is better not to start with such a project, IMO.

Janko

But Out of date posts could be moved to an Archive forum or something like this with a script.

I don't think is harder. New Post and Reply Post is the important things, and all the information could be ordered and categorized.

And, as I said, A forum could be connected to the maillist, and use the 2 options for the same purposses.

On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:22:25 +0100 Keith Hodges keith_hodges@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Giuseppe Luigi Punzi wrote:

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I can help with spanish translation.

I would like to propose 2 ideas.

1.- A web-forum. Something like PhpBB or SMF, parallel to maillist. With this, is easier and pretty to follow some thread. Follow threads not readed after some time, etc.

Sometimes, I don't have time to read the list, but I mark the mails readed because is a little crazy to follow other mails. With forums, you can view "posts since your last visit" easy and comfortable. Create topics in bold, italic, hyperlinks, images, etc... You can search easy a topic, and is url friendly......

With this, is possible to have subforums connected with squead-dev or others maillists too for example, and easier to read out of home or work, without having lots of unread mails on inbox.

Is very easy to create a new subforum for new projects, or communities, and forums could be tracked via RSS and mail too.

2.- It doesn't exists an official maillist "support" like squeak-es for spanish community. We are only a few now, but we are growing every day :D

I can't understand why this 2 ideas doesn't exists yet.

Only my 2 cents.

I dont like web fora, they are harder to use than mailing lists and they collect lots of out of date information.

We have wiki's to provide all of the features that you mention, and in a wiki there is the potential for tidying up out of date information

best regards

Keith

Hi Giuseppe,

Giuseppe Luigi Punzi wrote:

I can help with spanish translation.

I would like to propose 2 ideas.

1.- A web-forum. Something like PhpBB or SMF, parallel to maillist. With this, is easier and pretty to follow some thread. Follow threads not readed after some time, etc.

It could be that someone is more fan of forums like PhPBB while others are more used of pure mailing lists. With a right mail client you can organize your mails quite close to the forum like. Also in terms of priority I think the multilingual website is more important right now.

Sometimes, I don't have time to read the list, but I mark the mails readed because is a little crazy to follow other mails. With forums, you can view "posts since your last visit" easy and comfortable. Create topics in bold, italic, hyperlinks, images, etc... You can search easy a topic, and is url friendly......

With this, is possible to have subforums connected with squead-dev or others maillists too for example, and easier to read out of home or work, without having lots of unread mails on inbox.

Is very easy to create a new subforum for new projects, or communities, and forums could be tracked via RSS and mail too.

2.- It doesn't exists an official maillist "support" like squeak-es for spanish community. We are only a few now, but we are growing every day :D

But you have quite active Squeak in Spanish mailing list: http://www.nabble.com/Squeak-in-Spanish-f14188.html ?

I can't understand why this 2 ideas doesn't exists yet.

Only my 2 cents.

On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:09:20 +0200 Janko Mivšek janko.mivsek@eranova.si wrote:

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Dear all,

I just read Yoshiki's post about wish of Latin American countries to have EToys in Spanish and there are already wishes to have our www.squeak.org in Spanish too. So, shall we start thinking about having our website in many languages?

I'm personally fan of that idea but with some preconditions:

1. Every supported language must have a sub-community willing to 

translate and maintain content in their language. Maintaining consistently and long-term! If this precondition is not met, we better don't support that language.

2. We need to upgrade website to be able to support many languages 

and easily make translation of content between them.

We can copy the Wikipedia way of supporting multilingual entries where every language has its own but usually not the same description of some term. This way is to be considered too. We can have only the same basic structure and titles of the content, but every language sub-community has a freedom to describe the title by their own. Ok, some content must obviously be the same in all languages, but this can be the exception of the rule.

We can also provide the notification of changes of content (RSS, e-mail), so that communities will be able to react to the changes fast.

Best regards

Janko Mivšek Web Team leader

Hi Giuseppe,

Giuseppe Luigi Punzi wrote:

I can help with spanish translation.

Super! Now you just need to find some others so that you'll fond a language sub-community and then be able to commit to maintain the content long-term.

Best regards Janko