OK, I downloaded the Squeak plug-in and I seem to be able to access .pr files stored on other sites. But how do I deploy a Squeak project as a plugin? I think the questions I need answered are:
1. What does the server (Apache) need to know in order to serve Squeak projects as files? Anything? 2. Will detection of the plugin be semi-automatic? I.e., if a user without the plugin tries to download a Squeak project, will he get an error, an ugly binary dump or something meaningful? 3. Anything else I need to know about deployment?
Thanks. Dan
Dan,
A few notes below:
On 2006 May 28 02:32, Dan Shafer wrote:
OK, I downloaded the Squeak plug-in and I seem to be able to access .pr files stored on other sites. But how do I deploy a Squeak project as a plugin? I think the questions I need answered are:
- What does the server (Apache) need to know in order to serve
Squeak projects as files? Anything?
I am using Kom as Http server (not Apache), and this is the piece of HTML that works - I guess it piggibacks the .pr file through squeakland. The only important thing is the href:
<a href="http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://squeakers.ca:9090/squeak/games/FishTank-link.pr"><img alt=""Squeak"saver" title="Make your own "Squeak"saver" src="squeak/games/FishTank-link.gif" style="border: 5px solid ; width: 250px; height: 175px;"></a>
I suspect it will work on Apache as well, but do not know for sure.
Perhaps you can start with this, just t test your project works etc, and take it from there, ask questions , plus more info about the HTTP plugin:
http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~bert/squeak/plugin/test/plugintest.html http://www.squeakland.org/plugin/launch.html http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/2004-October/002230.html
and this message from Diego I saved: ------------------ And also:
failureURL="http://www.whereYouCanFindAnInstallerForTheMissingImage.com"
<OBJECT ID="SqueakOCX Control"
imageName="MySqueak.image"
WIDTH=1024 HEIGHT=768 ALIGN=center BORDER=2 CLASSID="CLSID:2BE9C39E-8386-4435-B337-FCDAD8EAB006"
CODEBASE="http://www.squeakland.org/installers/SqueakPluginInstaller.exe%22%3E
<embed type="application/x-squeak-source"
imageName="MySqueak.image"
ALIGN="CENTER" WIDTH="1024" HEIGHT="768" pluginspage="http://www.squeakland.org/detect.html" update_url="http://www.squeakland.org/update/" ></embed>
</OBJECT>
------------------
- Will detection of the plugin be semi-automatic? I.e., if a user
without the plugin tries to download a Squeak project, will he get an error, an ugly binary dump or something meaningful?
From what I remember, in the life without the plugin in all my browsers, if done "correctly" it will redirect user to the site where to find the plugin. If you use the simple version on top, it will do it right.
- Anything else I need to know about deployment?
I am sure there is more and people more qualified will comment, hopefully the above is a start,
Milan
Thanks. Dan
Thanks, Milan. Very helpful. I see that the server doesn't need to be aware of the data type of the content because you use an embedded object in the browser's code to circumvent. I know basically how to do that, so I'm off to do some trial work now.
Dan
On May 28, 2006, at 1:32 AM, Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Dan,
A few notes below:
On 2006 May 28 02:32, Dan Shafer wrote:
OK, I downloaded the Squeak plug-in and I seem to be able to access .pr files stored on other sites. But how do I deploy a Squeak project as a plugin? I think the questions I need answered are:
- What does the server (Apache) need to know in order to serve
Squeak projects as files? Anything?
I am using Kom as Http server (not Apache), and this is the piece of HTML that works - I guess it piggibacks the .pr file through squeakland. The only important thing is the href:
<a href="http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://squeakers.ca: 9090/squeak/games/FishTank-link.pr"><img alt=""Squeak"saver" title="Make your own "Squeak"saver" src="squeak/games/FishTank-link.gif" style="border: 5px solid ; width: 250px; height: 175px;"></a>
I suspect it will work on Apache as well, but do not know for sure.
Perhaps you can start with this, just t test your project works etc, and take it from there, ask questions , plus more info about the HTTP plugin:
http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~bert/squeak/plugin/test/ plugintest.html http://www.squeakland.org/plugin/launch.html http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/2004-October/002230.html
and this message from Diego I saved:
And also:
failureURL="http:// www.whereYouCanFindAnInstallerForTheMissingImage.com"
<OBJECT ID="SqueakOCX Control"
imageName="MySqueak.image"WIDTH=1024 HEIGHT=768 ALIGN=center BORDER=2 CLASSID="CLSID:2BE9C39E-8386-4435-B337-FCDAD8EAB006"CODEBASE="http://www.squeakland.org/installers/ SqueakPluginInstaller.exe">
<embed type="application/x-squeak-source"
imageName="MySqueak.image"ALIGN="CENTER" WIDTH="1024" HEIGHT="768" pluginspage="http://www.squeakland.org/detect.html" update_url="http://www.squeakland.org/update/" ></embed></OBJECT>
- Will detection of the plugin be semi-automatic? I.e., if a user
without the plugin tries to download a Squeak project, will he get an error, an ugly binary dump or something meaningful?
From what I remember, in the life without the plugin in all my browsers, if done "correctly" it will redirect user to the site where to find the plugin. If you use the simple version on top, it will do it right.
- Anything else I need to know about deployment?
I am sure there is more and people more qualified will comment, hopefully the above is a start,
Milan
Thanks. Dan
Dan,
yes, that is the point. Regarding the origin of the HTML I am sure it is coming from the guys who wrote the plugin (Impara or Viewpoints or both) but I no longer rememeber where I saved it from, probably email of someone else - from them you may get additional help or suggestions, but this should be one way... Hopefully one day the Squeak Plugin will have ubiquity of Flash Player :)
Milan
On 2006 May 29 01:48, Dan Shafer wrote:
Thanks, Milan. Very helpful. I see that the server doesn't need to be aware of the data type of the content because you use an embedded object in the browser's code to circumvent. I know basically how to do that, so I'm off to do some trial work now.
Dan
On May 28, 2006, at 1:32 AM, Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Dan,
A few notes below:
On 2006 May 28 02:32, Dan Shafer wrote:
OK, I downloaded the Squeak plug-in and I seem to be able to access .pr files stored on other sites. But how do I deploy a Squeak project as a plugin? I think the questions I need answered are:
- What does the server (Apache) need to know in order to serve
Squeak projects as files? Anything?
I am using Kom as Http server (not Apache), and this is the piece of HTML that works - I guess it piggibacks the .pr file through squeakland. The only important thing is the href:
<a href="http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://squeakers.ca: 9090/squeak/games/FishTank-link.pr"><img alt=""Squeak"saver" title="Make your own "Squeak"saver" src="squeak/games/FishTank-link.gif" style="border: 5px solid ; width: 250px; height: 175px;"></a>
I suspect it will work on Apache as well, but do not know for sure.
Perhaps you can start with this, just t test your project works etc, and take it from there, ask questions , plus more info about the HTTP plugin:
http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~bert/squeak/plugin/test/ plugintest.html http://www.squeakland.org/plugin/launch.html http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/2004-October/002230.html
and this message from Diego I saved:
And also:
failureURL="http:// www.whereYouCanFindAnInstallerForTheMissingImage.com"
<OBJECT ID="SqueakOCX Control"
imageName="MySqueak.image"WIDTH=1024 HEIGHT=768 ALIGN=center BORDER=2 CLASSID="CLSID:2BE9C39E-8386-4435-B337-FCDAD8EAB006"CODEBASE="http://www.squeakland.org/installers/ SqueakPluginInstaller.exe">
<embed type="application/x-squeak-source"
imageName="MySqueak.image"ALIGN="CENTER" WIDTH="1024" HEIGHT="768" pluginspage="http://www.squeakland.org/detect.html" update_url="http://www.squeakland.org/update/" ></embed></OBJECT>
- Will detection of the plugin be semi-automatic? I.e., if a user
without the plugin tries to download a Squeak project, will he get an error, an ugly binary dump or something meaningful?
From what I remember, in the life without the plugin in all my browsers, if done "correctly" it will redirect user to the site where to find the plugin. If you use the simple version on top, it will do it right.
- Anything else I need to know about deployment?
I am sure there is more and people more qualified will comment, hopefully the above is a start,
Milan
Thanks. Dan
Hello Milan, Bert,
MZ> http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~bert/squeak/plugin/test/plugintest.html
This one does not work, it starts the plugin with two flaps which are not working.
MZ> http://www.squeakland.org/plugin/launch.html
This one does work, it shows the bouncing atoms animation. and I can use the halos to get an Inspector, from there a browser.
So looking further on the first site it simply seems outdated, referring to Squeak 3.2.
I'm using the English 1.5.03 Firefox on WinXP.
Thanks,
-Herbert mailto:herbertkoenig@gmx.net
Am 30.05.2006 um 09:11 schrieb Herbert König:
Hello Milan, Bert,
MZ> http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~bert/squeak/plugin/test/ plugintest.html
This one does not work, it starts the plugin with two flaps which are not working.
That means it works, mostly, in that it actually loads the plugin, starts a VM, which executes the image, showing it in the browser window.
On my system (Mac OS X) it then tries to load 'plugintest.sts', which fails (I get a walkback). Probably because the Mac plugin does not support retrieving files through the browser API, and the fall-back Squeak HTTP code needs a full URL. This could be circumvented by giving a full URL in the HTML page, or using the "BASE" parameter (see ProjectLauncher>>startUpAfterLogin). However, I cannot change that web page anymore because I left the university.
- Bert -
Am 30.05.2006 um 13:36 schrieb Bert Freudenberg:
Am 30.05.2006 um 09:11 schrieb Herbert König:
Hello Milan, Bert,
MZ> http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~bert/squeak/plugin/test/ plugintest.html
This one does not work, it starts the plugin with two flaps which are not working.
That means it works, mostly, in that it actually loads the plugin, starts a VM, which executes the image, showing it in the browser window.
On my system (Mac OS X) it then tries to load 'plugintest.sts', which fails (I get a walkback). Probably because the Mac plugin does not support retrieving files through the browser API, and the fall-back Squeak HTTP code needs a full URL. This could be circumvented by giving a full URL in the HTML page, or using the "BASE" parameter (see ProjectLauncher>>startUpAfterLogin). However, I cannot change that web page anymore because I left the university.
Indeed, the file works fine here with some other HTML:
http://squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/ ~bert/squeak/plugin/test/plugintest.sts
If that link is broken, try:
- Bert -
Hello Bert,
BF> http://squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/ BF> ~bert/squeak/plugin/test/plugintest.sts
BF> If that link is broken, try:
Both links work like they should.
Herbert mailto:herbertkoenig@gmx.net
On 30-May-06, at 4:36 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
That means it works, mostly, in that it actually loads the plugin, starts a VM, which executes the image, showing it in the browser window.
On my system (Mac OS X) it then tries to load 'plugintest.sts', which fails (I get a walkback). Probably because the Mac plugin does not support retrieving files through the browser API, and the fall-back Squeak HTTP code needs a full URL. This could be circumvented by giving a full URL in the HTML page, or using the "BASE" parameter (see ProjectLauncher>>startUpAfterLogin). However, I cannot change that web page anymore because I left the university.
- Bert -
The browser plugin code for fetching files should work, there is support for that in the plugin. -- ======================================================================== === John M. McIntosh johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com 1-800-477-2659 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ======================================================================== ===
Am 30.05.2006 um 17:28 schrieb John M McIntosh:
On 30-May-06, at 4:36 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
That means it works, mostly, in that it actually loads the plugin, starts a VM, which executes the image, showing it in the browser window.
On my system (Mac OS X) it then tries to load 'plugintest.sts', which fails (I get a walkback). Probably because the Mac plugin does not support retrieving files through the browser API, and the fall-back Squeak HTTP code needs a full URL. This could be circumvented by giving a full URL in the HTML page, or using the "BASE" parameter (see ProjectLauncher>>startUpAfterLogin). However, I cannot change that web page anymore because I left the university.
- Bert -
The browser plugin code for fetching files should work, there is support for that in the plugin.
Then why does it not load this?
http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~bert/squeak/plugin/test/ plugintest.html
- Bert -
Herbert,
On 2006 May 30 03:11, Herbert König wrote:
Hello Milan, Bert,
MZ> http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~bert/squeak/plugin/test/plugintest.html
This one does not work, it starts the plugin with two flaps which are not working.
Thanks for pointing it out. While it does start the VM and run the image, and may be valuable to a developer, it is probaly confusing, and I should be only giving good info due to my belief the Squeak HTTP Plugin is the best delivery vehicle for Squeak and related technologies by the time they replace the inferior and confusion web (http etc) technologies (tongue out of cheek) :) Milan
MZ> http://www.squeakland.org/plugin/launch.html
This one does work, it shows the bouncing atoms animation. and I can use the halos to get an Inspector, from there a browser.
So looking further on the first site it simply seems outdated, referring to Squeak 3.2.
I'm using the English 1.5.03 Firefox on WinXP.
Thanks,
-Herbert mailto:herbertkoenig@gmx.net
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