Edgar J. De Cleene, Keith Hodges, and I are going to hold a meeting on Skype this Saturday at 1600 UTC. We want to discuss what the next release process should look like, and would welcome input, especially if you are willing to help or have a tool that could help us with the release effort. On the agenda is:
The main agenda items are: - How to maintain communication within the release team, and with the wider community - Keith's Level Playing Field - Pavel's Kernel Image / Minimal Morphic - What to do about the update stream and the MC packages that 3.9 and 3.10 releases produced
Secondary agenda items are: - Monticello 2 status - DeltaStreams status
We most likely will not discuss specific changes/bug fixes that would be managed by the release team. The meeting is more an attempt to get some coherency into the release process, since there are now a few different directions the release team could go in. We welcome your input.
I will record and post the meeting discussions
El 1/31/08 1:39 AM, "Matthew Fulmer" tapplek@gmail.com escribió:
Edgar J. De Cleene, Keith Hodges, and I are going to hold a meeting on Skype this Saturday at 1600 UTC.
Sorry, but I said in the other list and to Matthew could be difficult for me this Saturday at 1600 UTC. I on the process of moving to new place, so until all process finish...
Edgar
On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 07:38:20AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
El 1/31/08 1:39 AM, "Matthew Fulmer" tapplek@gmail.com escribi?:
Edgar J. De Cleene, Keith Hodges, and I are going to hold a meeting on Skype this Saturday at 1600 UTC.
Sorry, but I said in the other list and to Matthew could be difficult for me this Saturday at 1600 UTC. I on the process of moving to new place, so until all process finish...
If you can't make the meeting, I think it should be rescheduled, since the primary reason I'm arranging it is so Keith and I can put our Ideas with yours and try to form a plan.
In other words, we can't really start without you.
El 1/31/08 9:10 PM, "Matthew Fulmer" tapplek@gmail.com escribió:
In other words, we can't really start without you.
I'm unimportant.
Lets me paste here the same mail I send to release team mail list so all here could have clues and give very important feedback.
If people buy the idea of start from 3.8.2 , all could be easier. 3.8.2 don't have Monticello or Traits built into !
I resume my idea , tested in private experiments.
- Shrink from top, in same way as 3.10, cutting all we know could go to some
repository and loaded again as if never was cut. Goal is going as close of
MinimalMorphic is possible now.
- Add some I have now in FunSqueak, that is the Javier unistall, and some
convenience code.
Run some Pavel code for we be sure have the latest 3.10 code .
Port all relevant code from all forks (OLPC, Sophie, Croquet, Squeakland,
etc)
- Decide of the .sources.
I like the Maurice Raab scheme , but can't complete the process in Mac, XP or Linux. I send mails to both Ralph and Maurice, seems other people have success. Or I doing some stupid thing (wish know)
- Agree with Steph and Sophie people which toys they advice how to have in
Squeak
- As a baby take 9 months, I said taking less is unwise, so if we start on
1/3/08, release must end before the year ends
And the last news is I could be on IRC and in Skype as edgardec from 8 a to 12 Argentina time (we are now -2 GMT) Moving to new place was delayed one more week.
Cheers !
On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 11:29:42PM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
And the last news is I could be on IRC and in Skype as edgardec from 8 a to 12 Argentina time (we are now -2 GMT) Moving to new place was delayed one more week.
Does that mean you have a four-hour window in which to meet, or a 16 hour window? I can't tell which 12 you are talking about
El 2/1/08 12:25 AM, "Matthew Fulmer" tapplek@gmail.com escribió:
Does that mean you have a four-hour window in which to meet, or a 16 hour window? I can't tell which 12 you are talking about
I could be connected for about 4 hours. 8 to 12 Argentina time or 06:00 to 10:00 GMT (roughly)
Edgar
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 06:55:09AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
I could be connected for about 4 hours. 8 to 12 Argentina time or 06:00 to 10:00 GMT (roughly)
actually, it is 10:00 to 14:00 GMT, which is 03:00 to 07:00 my time. I may try to meet with you near the end of that, but it is pretty early in the morning.
El 2/1/08 12:06 PM, "Matthew Fulmer" tapplek@gmail.com escribió:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 06:55:09AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
I could be connected for about 4 hours. 8 to 12 Argentina time or 06:00 to 10:00 GMT (roughly)
actually, it is 10:00 to 14:00 GMT, which is 03:00 to 07:00 my time. I may try to meet with you near the end of that, but it is pretty early in the morning.
Ok. We just chat some and learn Phoenix Arizona USA is five hours to west of Rosario Santa Fe Argentina.
So a convenience time for us and some Europa people (3 hours to my east) could be difficult.
What about a window of 17:00 to 21:00 GMT , this is better ?
Edgar
And just today I broke my watch...
On Feb 1, 2008, at 19:18 , Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
El 2/1/08 12:06 PM, "Matthew Fulmer" tapplek@gmail.com escribió:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 06:55:09AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
I could be connected for about 4 hours. 8 to 12 Argentina time or 06:00 to 10:00 GMT (roughly)
actually, it is 10:00 to 14:00 GMT, which is 03:00 to 07:00 my time. I may try to meet with you near the end of that, but it is pretty early in the morning.
Ok. We just chat some and learn Phoenix Arizona USA is five hours to west of Rosario Santa Fe Argentina.
So a convenience time for us and some Europa people (3 hours to my east) could be difficult.
What about a window of 17:00 to 21:00 GMT , this is better ?
May I suggest
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html
- Bert -
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html? day=2&month=2&year=2008&p1=0&p2=141&p3=51&p4=197
El 01/02/2008, a las 19:08, Bert Freudenberg escribió:
On Feb 1, 2008, at 19:18 , Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
El 2/1/08 12:06 PM, "Matthew Fulmer" tapplek@gmail.com escribió:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 06:55:09AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
I could be connected for about 4 hours. 8 to 12 Argentina time or 06:00 to 10:00 GMT (roughly)
actually, it is 10:00 to 14:00 GMT, which is 03:00 to 07:00 my time. I may try to meet with you near the end of that, but it is pretty early in the morning.
Ok. We just chat some and learn Phoenix Arizona USA is five hours to west of Rosario Santa Fe Argentina.
So a convenience time for us and some Europa people (3 hours to my east) could be difficult.
What about a window of 17:00 to 21:00 GMT , this is better ?
May I suggest
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html
- Bert -
May I also recommend a nice FireFox/Thunderbird extension named FoxClocks:
"FoxClocks lets you keep an eye on the time around the world - or just your local time - by putting small clocks in your statusbar"
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1117
JAnko
Giuseppe Luigi Punzi Ruiz wrote:
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=2&month=2&yea...
El 01/02/2008, a las 19:08, Bert Freudenberg escribió:
On Feb 1, 2008, at 19:18 , Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
El 2/1/08 12:06 PM, "Matthew Fulmer" tapplek@gmail.com escribió:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 06:55:09AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
I could be connected for about 4 hours. 8 to 12 Argentina time or 06:00 to 10:00 GMT (roughly)
actually, it is 10:00 to 14:00 GMT, which is 03:00 to 07:00 my time. I may try to meet with you near the end of that, but it is pretty early in the morning.
Ok. We just chat some and learn Phoenix Arizona USA is five hours to west of Rosario Santa Fe Argentina.
So a convenience time for us and some Europa people (3 hours to my east) could be difficult.
What about a window of 17:00 to 21:00 GMT , this is better ?
May I suggest
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html
- Bert -
El 2/1/08 3:53 PM, "Janko Mivšek" janko.mivsek@eranova.si escribió:
May I also recommend a nice FireFox/Thunderbird extension named FoxClocks:
"FoxClocks lets you keep an eye on the time around the world - or just your local time - by putting small clocks in your statusbar"
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1117
JAnko
Another useful link. I copy the green for Phoenix,Rosario, Ljubljana with the Bert link
Edgar
Hi
Do I understand well that for 3.11 you want to start from 3.8.2?
Stef
El 1/31/08 9:10 PM, "Matthew Fulmer" tapplek@gmail.com escribió:
In other words, we can't really start without you.
I'm unimportant.
Lets me paste here the same mail I send to release team mail list so all here could have clues and give very important feedback.
If people buy the idea of start from 3.8.2 , all could be easier. 3.8.2 don't have Monticello or Traits built into !
I resume my idea , tested in private experiments.
- Shrink from top, in same way as 3.10, cutting all we know could
go to some repository and loaded again as if never was cut. Goal is going as close of
MinimalMorphic is possible now.
- Add some I have now in FunSqueak, that is the Javier unistall,
and some convenience code.
Run some Pavel code for we be sure have the latest 3.10 code .
Port all relevant code from all forks (OLPC, Sophie, Croquet,
Squeakland, etc)
- Decide of the .sources.
I like the Maurice Raab scheme , but can't complete the process in Mac, XP or Linux. I send mails to both Ralph and Maurice, seems other people have success. Or I doing some stupid thing (wish know)
- Agree with Steph and Sophie people which toys they advice how to
have in Squeak
- As a baby take 9 months, I said taking less is unwise, so if we
start on 1/3/08, release must end before the year ends
And the last news is I could be on IRC and in Skype as edgardec from 8 a to 12 Argentina time (we are now -2 GMT) Moving to new place was delayed one more week.
Cheers !
El 2/1/08 5:02 PM, "stephane ducasse" stephane.ducasse@free.fr escribió:
Hi
Do I understand well that for 3.11 you want to start from 3.8.2?
Stef
It's only one possibility. The tentative image is 3.10 derivative But we could start from 3.8.2 and load relevant code from all places as I said .
Edgar
Apparently you do not estimate well the effort of 3.9. Good luck.
Stef
On Feb 1, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
El 2/1/08 5:02 PM, "stephane ducasse" stephane.ducasse@free.fr escribió:
Hi
Do I understand well that for 3.11 you want to start from 3.8.2?
Stef
It's only one possibility. The tentative image is 3.10 derivative But we could start from 3.8.2 and load relevant code from all places as I said .
Edgar
The only point I would like to make is that it is important to be able to reproduce an image (and one day from a set of packages). So if we could improve MC2 (colin is working on it) so that we can really build a cooler system with tests and we could share changes (deltastreams) then it would be good.
From the process point of view. I do not believe in a system where any fix can be loaded in the system. There are so much subtle points that can break that this is important to keep Squeak a cool system. Stef
On Jan 31, 2008, at 5:39 AM, Matthew Fulmer wrote:
Edgar J. De Cleene, Keith Hodges, and I are going to hold a meeting on Skype this Saturday at 1600 UTC. We want to discuss what the next release process should look like, and would welcome input, especially if you are willing to help or have a tool that could help us with the release effort. On the agenda is:
The main agenda items are:
- How to maintain communication within the release team, and
with the wider community
- Keith's Level Playing Field
- Pavel's Kernel Image / Minimal Morphic
- What to do about the update stream and the MC packages that
3.9 and 3.10 releases produced
Secondary agenda items are:
- Monticello 2 status
- DeltaStreams status
We most likely will not discuss specific changes/bug fixes that would be managed by the release team. The meeting is more an attempt to get some coherency into the release process, since there are now a few different directions the release team could go in. We welcome your input.
I will record and post the meeting discussions
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