Thank you John-Reed for filling the last spot.
I would have stepped in, but I prefer somebody with more experience did it.
=> I can still be a newbie for while :)
bye
Nicola
On Jan 17, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Robert Kuropkat robert@kuropkat.com wrote:
FWIW, I personally believe regaining control of old domains referenced in these books would be highly valuable, even if the just redirect to squeak.org for a short time.
I personally would be interested in helping with documentation of these old resources so they "just work" as described in the books. Ideally, I would like to use that as a lead into updating these images (and documentation) to work on the latest versions of Squeak. My understanding is the Squeak by Example book/resources may already been in the process of being updated under Pharo. However, the Learn Squeak by Programming Robots is not and this particular one is WAY to useful for introducing children. I am currently using both of these resources to teach Middle/High School students and I am very pleased with how successful it has been.
Robert Kuropkat
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:29:37 -0500 Ron Teitelbaum ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
Mechanic,
I'm not sure where you got the squeakbyexample.org url but the website seems to point to here: https://hal.inria.fr/inria-00441576/document from here https://squeak.org/documentation/
Having the documentation be outdated and not working with the current version is a problem for software all around the world. Even more so for an open source community. I completely agree with you that beginner samples need to be maintained so that they stay relevant to new versions of the software. Unfortunately, that is a very difficult thing to do. It would be nice to have a seperate version specific documentation section on the website and a team of people who would move the documentation forward on each new release. What we need to make that happen is the web team to provide that framework for the documentation and a documentation team to volunteer to do the work and write or modify the docs.
Tty's method http://www.squeaksource.com/SeasideDoc.html is nice because it is documentation that goes with the program and it's versioned but it would be better to have something that is accessible and filterable by version on the squeak.org website.
We just may not have the resources we need to make that happen. By the way have you looked at the http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak and https://squeak.org/documentation/ pages? There is a lot of really good documentation out there but it does take some digging and you probably will run into issues related to different versions. Much of it should still be relevant. If you run into issues we are here to help!
All the best,
Ron Teitelbaum
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 7:16 AM mechanic chrisgame@pobox.com wrote:
Ron,
Interesting that there is an 'oversight' board but we have to wonder what oversight is actually applied? There are many queries on here (one or two from me) showing that there are issues with finding appropriate and up to date docs covering basic setup and operating issues. As an example, much of that points to the squeakbyexample.org site which seems to have been taken over. As well as that, there are many versions of Squeak on the web, and not much guidance as to which docs and guides work with what versions. There seems an overall cleanup project missing? I also wonder why there are so many expert-level queries on a list supposed to support beginners, perhaps some of that is off-putting to newbies?
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On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 2:47 PM Nicola Mingotti nmingotti@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you John-Reed for filling the last spot.
I would have stepped in, but I prefer somebody with more experience did it.
=> I can still be a newbie for while :)
bye
Nicola
Indeed, thank you JRM!
However, to have a meaningful election, having more candidates than seats would be a Very Good Thing.
Just sayin'.
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