Since I upgraded to MacOS 10.12, I've had a devil of a time finding a VM that will reliably run various images I have lying around. Can someone point me to a good one?
Hi Bob
On 29.07.2017, at 19:03, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Since I upgraded to MacOS 10.12, I've had a devil of a time finding a VM that will reliably run various images I have lying around. Can someone point me to a good one?
To triage a bit, can you outline the "various images"? What are they like?
Best regards -Tobias
Well, I have a VM that identifies itself thusly:
Virtual Machine --------------- /private/var/folders/j8/srqlyptj11v01rspqj9h_0g00000gq/T/AppTranslocation/199715EF-054C-45AC-9BD4-BBC69FB10DA9/d/Squeak may2017.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak Croquet Closure Cog[Spur] VM [CoInterpreterPrimitives VMMaker.oscog-eem.2213] Mac OS X built on May 16 2017 23:29:55 UTC Compiler: 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 6.1.0 (clang-602.0.53) platform sources revision VM: 201705162217 https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm.git $ Date: Tue May 16 15:17:10 2017 -0700 $ Plugins: 201705162217 https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm.git $ CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-eem.2213 uuid: 91a750c2-5478-49d7-9c19-26ddc976ddb1 May 16 2017 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-eem.2213 uuid: 91a750c2-5478-49d7-9c19-26ddc976ddb1 May 16 2017
If I drop a 5.1 image on this VM, it works (at least a few that I just tried). If I drop a 4.2 or 4.5 image on the same VM, nothing happens. I have tried looking at the console log to see if something shows there and the first thing that appears after dropping the image is usually a line like:
default 09:37:32.421780 -0400 Squeak Connection to sharingd became invalid
This appears for both 5.x and 4.x images, but for a 5.x image there are a ton of messages to follow and for a 4.x image, that's about all that appears. So, I'm not clear how to proceed.
On 8/29/17 7:55 AM, Tobias Pape wrote:
Hi Bob
On 29.07.2017, at 19:03, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Since I upgraded to MacOS 10.12, I've had a devil of a time finding a VM that will reliably run various images I have lying around. Can someone point me to a good one?
To triage a bit, can you outline the "various images"? What are they like?
Best regards -Tobias
On 29-08-2017, at 6:51 AM, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Cog[Spur] VM
If I drop a 5.1 image on this VM, it works (at least a few that I just tried). If I drop a 4.2 or 4.5 image on the same VM, nothing happens. I
Spur would seem to be the key here. For a 4.x image you want the v3 vm rather than Spur.
We don’t seem to be doing a terribly good job of informing users when something like this happens; a clear notifier or log entry that the image format didn’t match and a note about what that means (a URL to swiki?) would be nice. We have some image version checking in checkImageVersionFromstartingAt() that at least looks like it ought to be working out if the image format is correct and exiting cleanly if not, but I don’t know what happens to plain ‘print()’ statements on macOS. Hmm, ok, try loading a 4.3 image in a spur vm - the console does actually show an exit from there with error 1, so it does work but boy is it failing to be helpful. How many people even know there is a console and to filter for ‘squeak’?
Is it practical to add a UI aspect to ioExitWithErrorCode()?
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Useful random insult:- Hid behind the door when they passed out brains.
I wasn't seeing that error 1 before - poked around in different console options and there it was. Although, as you say, what does 1 mean? Saying something more friendly would be nice, but my original question was where to find the best vm and I still don't know the answer to that. For any OS version/image version, what's a nice stable VM? If that page exists, I just can't find it.
On 8/29/17 1:36 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
On 29-08-2017, at 6:51 AM, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Cog[Spur] VM
If I drop a 5.1 image on this VM, it works (at least a few that I just tried). If I drop a 4.2 or 4.5 image on the same VM, nothing happens. I
Spur would seem to be the key here. For a 4.x image you want the v3 vm rather than Spur.
We don’t seem to be doing a terribly good job of informing users when something like this happens; a clear notifier or log entry that the image format didn’t match and a note about what that means (a URL to swiki?) would be nice. We have some image version checking in checkImageVersionFromstartingAt() that at least looks like it ought to be working out if the image format is correct and exiting cleanly if not, but I don’t know what happens to plain ‘print()’ statements on macOS. Hmm, ok, try loading a 4.3 image in a spur vm - the console does actually show an exit from there with error 1, so it does work but boy is it failing to be helpful. How many people even know there is a console and to filter for ‘squeak’?
Is it practical to add a UI aspect to ioExitWithErrorCode()?
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Useful random insult:- Hid behind the door when they passed out brains.
Some more exploring
- downloaded cog_macos32x86_squeak.cog.v3_201608171728.tar.gz, started it and pointed it to a 4.2 image. Squeak stayed up, but the desktop never appeared.
- downloaded Squeak-4.6-All-in-One.zip and it runs, but warns it can't write the changes file (see attachment). Not sure how to deal with this or how to make this into a VM I can use for other images.
On 8/29/17 1:36 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
On 29-08-2017, at 6:51 AM, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Cog[Spur] VM
If I drop a 5.1 image on this VM, it works (at least a few that I just tried). If I drop a 4.2 or 4.5 image on the same VM, nothing happens. I
Spur would seem to be the key here. For a 4.x image you want the v3 vm rather than Spur.
We don’t seem to be doing a terribly good job of informing users when something like this happens; a clear notifier or log entry that the image format didn’t match and a note about what that means (a URL to swiki?) would be nice. We have some image version checking in checkImageVersionFromstartingAt() that at least looks like it ought to be working out if the image format is correct and exiting cleanly if not, but I don’t know what happens to plain ‘print()’ statements on macOS. Hmm, ok, try loading a 4.3 image in a spur vm - the console does actually show an exit from there with error 1, so it does work but boy is it failing to be helpful. How many people even know there is a console and to filter for ‘squeak’?
Is it practical to add a UI aspect to ioExitWithErrorCode()?
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Useful random insult:- Hid behind the door when they passed out brains.
On 29.08.2017, at 20:19, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Some more exploring
downloaded cog_macos32x86_squeak.cog.v3_201608171728.tar.gz, started it and pointed it to a 4.2 image. Squeak stayed up, but the desktop never appeared.
downloaded Squeak-4.6-All-in-One.zip and it runs, but warns it can't write the changes file (see attachment). Not sure how to deal with this or how to make this into a VM I can use for other images.
When you download and unpack an all-in-one or a VM and want to run it _first, before you run it_ move the .app somewhere else (Desktop, /Applications), does not matter. But move it.
Moving _after_ opening does not help, move it first.
Apple in 10.12 tried to make some things more secure, and that is why you see the problems with not being able to write to the changes file.
Best regards -Tobias
On 8/29/17 1:36 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
On 29-08-2017, at 6:51 AM, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Cog[Spur] VM
If I drop a 5.1 image on this VM, it works (at least a few that I just tried). If I drop a 4.2 or 4.5 image on the same VM, nothing happens. I
Spur would seem to be the key here. For a 4.x image you want the v3 vm rather than Spur.
We don’t seem to be doing a terribly good job of informing users when something like this happens; a clear notifier or log entry that the image format didn’t match and a note about what that means (a URL to swiki?) would be nice. We have some image version checking in checkImageVersionFromstartingAt() that at least looks like it ought to be working out if the image format is correct and exiting cleanly if not, but I don’t know what happens to plain ‘print()’ statements on macOS. Hmm, ok, try loading a 4.3 image in a spur vm - the console does actually show an exit from there with error 1, so it does work but boy is it failing to be helpful. How many people even know there is a console and to filter for ‘squeak’?
Is it practical to add a UI aspect to ioExitWithErrorCode()?
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
Useful random insult:- Hid behind the door when they passed out brains.
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On 29.08.2017, at 20:30, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
On 29.08.2017, at 20:19, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Some more exploring
downloaded cog_macos32x86_squeak.cog.v3_201608171728.tar.gz, started it and pointed it to a 4.2 image. Squeak stayed up, but the desktop never appeared.
downloaded Squeak-4.6-All-in-One.zip and it runs, but warns it can't write the changes file (see attachment). Not sure how to deal with this or how to make this into a VM I can use for other images.
When you download and unpack an all-in-one or a VM and want to run it _first, before you run it_ move the .app somewhere else (Desktop, /Applications), does not matter. But move it.
Moving _after_ opening does not help, move it first.
Apple in 10.12 tried to make some things more secure, and that is why you see the problems with not being able to write to the changes file.
For the record:
http://krypted.com/mac-security/app-translocation-services-os-x-10-12/ http://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/app-translocation.html
Best regards -Tobias
Best regards -Tobias
On 8/29/17 1:36 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
On 29-08-2017, at 6:51 AM, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Cog[Spur] VM
If I drop a 5.1 image on this VM, it works (at least a few that I just tried). If I drop a 4.2 or 4.5 image on the same VM, nothing happens. I
Spur would seem to be the key here. For a 4.x image you want the v3 vm rather than Spur.
We don’t seem to be doing a terribly good job of informing users when something like this happens; a clear notifier or log entry that the image format didn’t match and a note about what that means (a URL to swiki?) would be nice. We have some image version checking in checkImageVersionFromstartingAt() that at least looks like it ought to be working out if the image format is correct and exiting cleanly if not, but I don’t know what happens to plain ‘print()’ statements on macOS. Hmm, ok, try loading a 4.3 image in a spur vm - the console does actually show an exit from there with error 1, so it does work but boy is it failing to be helpful. How many people even know there is a console and to filter for ‘squeak’?
Is it practical to add a UI aspect to ioExitWithErrorCode()?
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
Useful random insult:- Hid behind the door when they passed out brains.
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Thanks, that helped. Now I can open old 4.x images by dropping them on this all-in-one - in fact, several much older VMs also seem to work, so, even if I don't understand what's happening, I can open old files. Just not all with the same VM.
On 8/29/17 2:30 PM, Tobias Pape wrote:
On 29.08.2017, at 20:19, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Some more exploring
downloaded cog_macos32x86_squeak.cog.v3_201608171728.tar.gz, started it and pointed it to a 4.2 image. Squeak stayed up, but the desktop never appeared.
downloaded Squeak-4.6-All-in-One.zip and it runs, but warns it can't write the changes file (see attachment). Not sure how to deal with this or how to make this into a VM I can use for other images.
When you download and unpack an all-in-one or a VM and want to run it _first, before you run it_ move the .app somewhere else (Desktop, /Applications), does not matter. But move it.
Moving _after_ opening does not help, move it first.
Apple in 10.12 tried to make some things more secure, and that is why you see the problems with not being able to write to the changes file.
Best regards -Tobias
On 8/29/17 1:36 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
On 29-08-2017, at 6:51 AM, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Cog[Spur] VM
If I drop a 5.1 image on this VM, it works (at least a few that I just tried). If I drop a 4.2 or 4.5 image on the same VM, nothing happens. I
Spur would seem to be the key here. For a 4.x image you want the v3 vm rather than Spur.
We don’t seem to be doing a terribly good job of informing users when something like this happens; a clear notifier or log entry that the image format didn’t match and a note about what that means (a URL to swiki?) would be nice. We have some image version checking in checkImageVersionFromstartingAt() that at least looks like it ought to be working out if the image format is correct and exiting cleanly if not, but I don’t know what happens to plain ‘print()’ statements on macOS. Hmm, ok, try loading a 4.3 image in a spur vm - the console does actually show an exit from there with error 1, so it does work but boy is it failing to be helpful. How many people even know there is a console and to filter for ‘squeak’?
Is it practical to add a UI aspect to ioExitWithErrorCode()?
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
Useful random insult:- Hid behind the door when they passed out brains.
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On 29.08.2017, at 20:47, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks, that helped. Now I can open old 4.x images by dropping them on this all-in-one - in fact, several much older VMs also seem to work, so, even if I don't understand what's happening, I can open old files. Just not all with the same VM.
Yes, that is (currently) expected.
Since version 5.0, Squeak uses the spur image format, which needs a compatible vm. Btw: squeak 4.6 and squeak 5.0 are the same except for the image format.
Best regards -Tobias
PS: the RSqueak/VM (https://github.com/HPI-SWA-Lab/RSqueak) can open all Squeak-images since squeak 2.3, including the new ones, given the image has one package installes
On 8/29/17 2:30 PM, Tobias Pape wrote:
On 29.08.2017, at 20:19, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Some more exploring
downloaded cog_macos32x86_squeak.cog.v3_201608171728.tar.gz, started it and pointed it to a 4.2 image. Squeak stayed up, but the desktop never appeared.
downloaded Squeak-4.6-All-in-One.zip and it runs, but warns it can't write the changes file (see attachment). Not sure how to deal with this or how to make this into a VM I can use for other images.
When you download and unpack an all-in-one or a VM and want to run it _first, before you run it_ move the .app somewhere else (Desktop, /Applications), does not matter. But move it.
Moving _after_ opening does not help, move it first.
Apple in 10.12 tried to make some things more secure, and that is why you see the problems with not being able to write to the changes file.
Best regards -Tobias
On 8/29/17 1:36 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
On 29-08-2017, at 6:51 AM, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net
wrote:
Cog[Spur] VM
If I drop a 5.1 image on this VM, it works (at least a few that I just tried). If I drop a 4.2 or 4.5 image on the same VM, nothing happens. I
Spur would seem to be the key here. For a 4.x image you want the v3 vm rather than Spur.
We don’t seem to be doing a terribly good job of informing users when something like this happens; a clear notifier or log entry that the image format didn’t match and a note about what that means (a URL to swiki?) would be nice. We have some image version checking in checkImageVersionFromstartingAt() that at least looks like it ought to be working out if the image format is correct and exiting cleanly if not, but I don’t know what happens to plain ‘print()’ statements on macOS. Hmm, ok, try loading a 4.3 image in a spur vm - the console does actually show an exit from there with error 1, so it does work but boy is it failing to be helpful. How many people even know there is a console and to filter for ‘squeak’?
Is it practical to add a UI aspect to ioExitWithErrorCode()?
tim
tim Rowledge;
tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
Useful random insult:- Hid behind the door when they passed out brains.
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OK, I'll try that...
- using the .zip version:
“RSqueak” is damaged and can’t be opened. You should move it to the Trash.
-using the tar.gz version: RSqueak cannot be opened because of a problem.
Check with the developer to make sure RSqueak works with this version of macOS. You may need to reinstall the application. Be sure to install any available updates for the application and macOS.
Click Report to see more detailed information and send a report to Apple.
and the report says:
Application Specific Information: dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
Dyld Error Message: Library not loaded: /usr/local/opt/openssl/lib/libssl.1.0.0.dylib Referenced from: /Volumes/VOLUME/*/RSqueak.app/Contents/MacOS/RSqueak Reason: image not found
On 8/29/17 2:53 PM, Tobias Pape wrote:
PS: the RSqueak/VM (https://github.com/HPI-SWA-Lab/RSqueak) can open all Squeak-images since squeak 2.3, including the new ones, given the image has one package installes
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