At 09:01 01.07.00 -0400, Bijan Parsia wrote:
Well, for Squeak---and the typesetting world---they're different fonts.
Really? Then I'm sorry and I have so say that I wanted to talk about font *families*. Everything else seems very strange for me. I would never expect that a larger font has completely different glyphs.
I'm glad you posted a gif to prove that you're right. I'm also very glad that you take it personal to defend Squeak (even it I didn't attack it or challenge you) ;-)
Your argument, however, isn't fair. As Squeak is turning-complete, it can do everything (perhaps with the exception of washing cars), if programmed correctly. The system that comes right of the box however can't show multiple forms if you don't reprogram (which includes manipulating textstyle objects) it.
So let's settle that argumentation by agreeing that we're both correct.
P.P.P.P.S. But since we feature-whining...what I'm *dying* for is a Squeak port of Lucene (a java VTwin full text search clone): http://lucene.sourceforge.net/ Any java literate folks up to taking it on? For *meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*? <blink/> <flutter/> <blink/> P.P.P.P.P.S. (Different "blink" tag...don't be fooled.)
Well, then go forward with a good example and port it... :-)
bye -- Stefan Matthias Aust // Bevor wir fallen, fallen wir lieber auf
On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Stefan Matthias Aust wrote:
At 09:01 01.07.00 -0400, Bijan Parsia wrote:
Well, for Squeak---and the typesetting world---they're different fonts.
Really? Then I'm sorry and I have so say that I wanted to talk about font *families*. Everything else seems very strange for me. I would never expect that a larger font has completely different glyphs.
Eh...there are a lot of confusing overlapping terms that get screwed up in a variety of ways. I was thinking of "font" as "collection of glyphs" or as "StrikeFont". My main point being that the extant Squeak layout manager can handle, to some degree, various fonts in a single paragraph. This was sufficently shown, to my mind, by the various NewYork "sizes", as those are distinct StrikeFonts. Yadda yadda.
I'm glad you posted a gif to prove that you're right.
Well, me too. It did clear things up :)
I'm also very glad that you take it personal to defend Squeak (even it I didn't attack it or challenge you) ;-)
Oh well, 6:30 am, pre-stimulants, late night. :)
Your argument, however, isn't fair.
Me? concerned with *fairness*! MuhwAHAHAHAHAHA!
As Squeak is turning-complete, it can do everything (perhaps with the exception of washing cars), if programmed correctly. The system that comes right of the box however can't show multiple forms if you don't reprogram (which includes manipulating textstyle objects) it.
Hmm. Acutally, I don't think *this* is fair. I *thought* that the original issue was whether there was a "rich text widget" type thing. The workspace, as it stands, is one...albeit that without tweaking, it displays a single fontfamily, alignment, etc., though it does do multiple sizes, styles, etc.
But is the workspace a "widget"? It seems to me to be a *tool* supporting a certain range of activities. Now you may argue that if it's going to do multi-size, it might as well do multi-family. I probably agree, and I think that the single family default is a legacy issue.
However, presumably it would be a defect of a rt widget if you *couldn't*, if desired, turn *off* some flexibility. If you wanted to use somethign Workspacey for end-user data entry, wouldn't you want to reprogram the menus *anyway*?
So let's settle that argumentation by agreeing that we're both correct.
Ok, so long as, to paraphrase Orwell, "some animals are more correct than others" :)
P.P.P.P.S. But since we feature-whining...what I'm *dying* for is a Squeak port of Lucene (a java VTwin full text search clone): http://lucene.sourceforge.net/ Any java literate folks up to taking it on? For *meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*? <blink/> <flutter/> <blink/>
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Well, then go forward with a good example and port it... :-)
Well, I *am* java illiterate :) I was kinda hoping that a super-Java-dude would come and save the day.
I will attempt ransacker (http://ransacker.sourceforge.net/) if I get some time.
(Still drooling over the thought of Lucened swiki searches...or, heck, we could get rid of the "searching method source will take several minutes" :))
Cheers, Bijan Parsia.
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