Has anyone out there actually had their hands on a Nokia N810 running Squeak? I'm concerned about keyboard issues. According to one review I read, several special characters are not on the keyboard, and to get them you have to pick from some kind of screen gadget. Sounds like some kind of GTK applet that might not work in Squeak. How is the N810 keyboard from Squeak?
I've been using Palm for many years, and all I use is memos and phone book entries. I'm not syncing with anything except the (yucky!) Palm desktop app. It wouldn't be hard to stitch together some off-the-shelf morphs to give me what I need in Squeak.
One other concern I have outside of Squeak is that it seems to be not so straightforward to load apps for older versions of the Nokia internet tablets on the new OS. This is a pain! A body can get awfully used to the idea that all it takes to install something is ./configure, make, make install. Learning maemo just to port old apps myself seems like more of a project that I want for this device ...
-Thanks, Jim
Just got mine... not got time to port a vm yet so can't test the keyboard (real and virtual). Seems to have all needed except the "|" but that can be done via the "chr" key and a tap or two onscreen...
-----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org]On Behalf Of Jim Rosenberg Sent: 16 December 2007 9:15 PM To: squeak-dev Subject: Nokia N810 as a Squeak PDA?
Has anyone out there actually had their hands on a Nokia N810 running Squeak? I'm concerned about keyboard issues. According to one review I read, several special characters are not on the keyboard, and to get them you have to pick from some kind of screen gadget. Sounds like some kind of GTK applet that might not work in Squeak. How is the N810 keyboard from Squeak?
I've been using Palm for many years, and all I use is memos and phone book entries. I'm not syncing with anything except the (yucky!) Palm desktop app. It wouldn't be hard to stitch together some off-the-shelf morphs to give me what I need in Squeak.
One other concern I have outside of Squeak is that it seems to be not so straightforward to load apps for older versions of the Nokia internet tablets on the new OS. This is a pain! A body can get awfully used to the idea that all it takes to install something is ./configure, make, make install. Learning maemo just to port old apps myself seems like more of a project that I want for this device ...
-Thanks, Jim
The Nokia N810 has a 400MHz ARM (TI OMAP 2420) processor. I'm running Squeak on a 3.0 VM (yea, I'm working on upgrading the VM to a 3.9/3.10 codebase) on a Jornada 820 with a 200MHz ARM (SA1100) processor.
Morphic (in 3.8) is completely unusable on my machine; MVC is usable after a few tweaks to significantly improve performance. I'm currently quite able to write code on it, but it can still be very slow in places such as the debugger, and there's a bug somewhere that occasionally deletes the .changes file.
Can anybody confirm that this performance is normal for this class of devices, or do I just have a slow device? I know that a lot of the Jornada 820's memory bandwidth is eaten up by the video refreshes.
You could always modify Squeak a bit to remap an unused key or two to do the special chars, or alternatively the N810 might have something which does just that in it's control panels somewhere. Wait... it uses Linux, right? You could probably achieve this using xmodmap, loadkeys or similar.
Gulik.
On Dec 21, 2007 4:40 AM, Gary Chambers gazzaguru2@btinternet.com wrote:
Just got mine... not got time to port a vm yet so can't test the keyboard (real and virtual). Seems to have all needed except the "|" but that can be done via the "chr" key and a tap or two onscreen...
-----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org]On Behalf Of Jim Rosenberg Sent: 16 December 2007 9:15 PM To: squeak-dev Subject: Nokia N810 as a Squeak PDA?
Has anyone out there actually had their hands on a Nokia N810 running Squeak? I'm concerned about keyboard issues. According to one review I read, several special characters are not on the keyboard, and to get
them
you have to pick from some kind of screen gadget. Sounds like some kind of GTK applet that might not work in Squeak. How is the N810 keyboard from Squeak?
I've been using Palm for many years, and all I use is memos and phone book entries. I'm not syncing with anything except the (yucky!) Palm desktop app. It wouldn't be hard to stitch together some off-the-shelf morphs to give me what I need in Squeak.
One other concern I have outside of Squeak is that it seems to be not so straightforward to load apps for older versions of the Nokia internet tablets on the new OS. This is a pain! A body can get awfully used to
the
idea that all it takes to install something is ./configure, make, make install. Learning maemo just to port old apps myself seems like more of
a
project that I want for this device ...
-Thanks, Jim
On 20-Dec-07, at 12:47 PM, Michael van der Gulik wrote:
The Nokia N810 has a 400MHz ARM (TI OMAP 2420) processor. I'm running Squeak on a 3.0 VM (yea, I'm working on upgrading the VM to a 3.9/3.10 codebase) on a Jornada 820 with a 200MHz ARM (SA1100) processor.
Morphic (in 3.8) is completely unusable on my machine; MVC is usable after a few tweaks to significantly improve performance. I'm currently quite able to write code on it, but it can still be very slow in places such as the debugger, and there's a bug somewhere that occasionally deletes the .changes file.
Can anybody confirm that this performance is normal for this class of devices, or do I just have a slow device? I know that a lot of the Jornada 820's memory bandwidth is eaten up by the video refreshes.
Well, the old RISC OS machine had a 200MHz StrongARM and MVC was extremely responsive and Morphic was just barely usable. The newer RISC OS machine has a 600MHz XScale 80321 and Morphic is usable enough that I stopped relying on MVC. So, at a guess a 400MHz ARM 1136 ought to be reasonable at Morphicing. It really depends mostly on the OS and the C compiler code quality; obviously excluding the dire need to improve Morphic that has been beaten to death plenty of times.
Actually, this makes the Nokia 810 the first machine aside from an iPhone that I've noted having an ARM 11.
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: SEOB: Set Every Other Bit
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