tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
As an aside, there are literally dozens, possibly hundreds of extremely cheap ARM based tablets and laptops now available. How does a $70 10" screen ARM CortexA9 laptop grab you? Or a $46 7" tablet? Or perhaps a MacBookAir clone 13" screen A9 laptop?
Where do fans of these devices post reviews/comparisons/supplier suggestions?
(I read about these a couple of years ago, thinking of installing an OLPC clone. At the time the reviews suggested those available in the UK, pre-installed with Windows CE or equivalent, were desperately underpowered. We ended up with a more expensive but more capable Intel Atom netbook.)
David
On 2012-11-08 1:41 PM, David Corking wrote:
tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
As an aside, there are literally dozens, possibly hundreds of extremely cheap ARM based tablets and laptops now available. How does a $70 10" screen ARM CortexA9 laptop grab you? Or a $46 7" tablet? Or perhaps a MacBookAir clone 13" screen A9 laptop?
Where do fans of these devices post reviews/comparisons/supplier suggestions?
(I read about these a couple of years ago, thinking of installing an OLPC clone. At the time the reviews suggested those available in the UK, pre-installed with Windows CE or equivalent, were desperately underpowered. We ended up with a more expensive but more capable Intel Atom netbook.)
David
This might be a start. It has a reviews link.
Chris
Great, thanks Chris. I guess these are the kind of trade sample devices that Tim cited on Wednesday:
http://armdevices.net/2012/11/05/wabook-arm-powered-laptops-71-10-1-1024x600... http://armdevices.net/2012/10/29/overview-of-the-latestbest-7-tablets-out-of... http://armdevices.net/members-store/
For better or worse, it sounds like the trade is plumping for Android over the Debian Linux of the Raspberry Pi. Does Android need a 'jailbreak' to run Squeak?
Thanks for the inspiration. David
p.s. It sounds like I might spend on a new jacket to go with a new toy. I gave up jackets over a decade ago.
I don't get online much these days, so I felt kind of lucky to catch this thread.
My two cents: aim at devices which ship with the cleanest (read: less vendor crapware preinstalled) and make *absolutely certain* that the device supports consumer side loading of apps (read: you're allowed to install the VM.)
I've heard that in spite of being Android based, Kindle Fire does not allow loading apps from Google's app store, much less side loading; you have to get all apps from Amazon's store. This is the one of the problems we encounter with iOS, and what we need to avoid like the plague.
That and we have to find some decent tablet hardware which meets the above criteria. Android isn't really a requirement, I'm going to throw out another post with an idea about that in a minute.
Casey
On Nov 9, 2012, at 1:19 AM, David Corking lists@dcorking.com wrote:
Great, thanks Chris. I guess these are the kind of trade sample devices that Tim cited on Wednesday:
http://armdevices.net/2012/11/05/wabook-arm-powered-laptops-71-10-1-1024x600... http://armdevices.net/2012/10/29/overview-of-the-latestbest-7-tablets-out-of... http://armdevices.net/members-store/
For better or worse, it sounds like the trade is plumping for Android over the Debian Linux of the Raspberry Pi. Does Android need a 'jailbreak' to run Squeak?
Thanks for the inspiration. David
p.s. It sounds like I might spend on a new jacket to go with a new toy. I gave up jackets over a decade ago.
"... what we need to avoid like the plague."
Yes. See also "The Coming Civil War over General Purpose Computing" by Cory Doctorow
http://boingboing.net/2012/08/23/civilwar.html
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Casey Ransberger casey.obrien.r@gmail.comwrote:
I don't get online much these days, so I felt kind of lucky to catch this thread.
My two cents: aim at devices which ship with the cleanest (read: less vendor crapware preinstalled) and make *absolutely certain* that the device supports consumer side loading of apps (read: you're allowed to install the VM.)
I've heard that in spite of being Android based, Kindle Fire does not allow loading apps from Google's app store, much less side loading; you have to get all apps from Amazon's store. This is the one of the problems we encounter with iOS, and what we need to avoid like the plague.
That and we have to find some decent tablet hardware which meets the above criteria. Android isn't really a requirement, I'm going to throw out another post with an idea about that in a minute.
Casey
On Nov 9, 2012, at 1:19 AM, David Corking lists@dcorking.com wrote:
Great, thanks Chris. I guess these are the kind of trade sample devices that Tim cited on Wednesday:
http://armdevices.net/2012/11/05/wabook-arm-powered-laptops-71-10-1-1024x600...
http://armdevices.net/2012/10/29/overview-of-the-latestbest-7-tablets-out-of...
http://armdevices.net/members-store/
For better or worse, it sounds like the trade is plumping for Android over the Debian Linux of the Raspberry Pi. Does Android need a 'jailbreak' to run Squeak?
Thanks for the inspiration. David
p.s. It sounds like I might spend on a new jacket to go with a new toy. I gave up jackets over a decade ago.
On 2012-11-09, at 10:19, David Corking lists@dcorking.com wrote:
Great, thanks Chris. I guess these are the kind of trade sample devices that Tim cited on Wednesday:
http://armdevices.net/2012/11/05/wabook-arm-powered-laptops-71-10-1-1024x600... http://armdevices.net/2012/10/29/overview-of-the-latestbest-7-tablets-out-of... http://armdevices.net/members-store/
For better or worse, it sounds like the trade is plumping for Android over the Debian Linux of the Raspberry Pi. Does Android need a 'jailbreak' to run Squeak?
Yes, but it's built into Android, you don't have to "hack" it. In system settings you can enable "untrusted sources" (which lets you break out of the walled garden, with many of the security implications of jailbreaking).
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