Hi all:
I've been playing around with the most recent CVS builds of Mozilla (www.mozilla.org) and I had a thought yesterday...since Mozilla is completely open source, it would seem the ideal browser to build some kind of Squeak plugin for.
I realize there is an ActiveX plugin floating around out there, but for us non-Windoze types it doesn't help a whole lot. I'm just thinking it might be an ideal way to promote Squeak, the same way Netscape promoted Java. And the thought of everyone having access to Squeak Pages in their web browsers just makes me smile too...
Kevin,
Making Squeak run as a plugin is a great idea, and you don't even need to tear into the Mozilla source code to do it! There's a Netscape Plugin SDK available from the Netscape web site that gives you all the interfaces you need. What's more, I'm pretty sure that this SDK produces plugins that work with Internet Explorer as well as Netscape Navigator.
We actually had this working at one time (2.5 years ago), but when I tried to get it going again, I got system errors and I haven't had the patience to get to the bottom of the problem. It's probably something trivial, perhaps having to do with memory allocation...
If you're serious about this project, I can give you pointers to the old hooks for doing this. If you're just hoping someone else will do it, don't worry. Someone probably will...
-- John
At 7:14 AM -0400 4/29/99, Kevin Fisher wrote:
Hi all:
I've been playing around with the most recent CVS builds of Mozilla (www.mozilla.org) and I had a thought yesterday...since Mozilla is completely open source, it would seem the ideal browser to build some kind of Squeak plugin for.
I realize there is an ActiveX plugin floating around out there, but for us non-Windoze types it doesn't help a whole lot. I'm just thinking it might be an ideal way to promote Squeak, the same way Netscape promoted Java. And the thought of everyone having access to Squeak Pages in their web browsers just makes me smile too...
Well, at this point it was more of a 'suggestive thought' at the moment...I'm currently a bit involved in a different Squeak-related project, but I'd be interested in seeing the hooks for doing it...I may be interested in giving it a shot!
I haven't looked at how Mozilla is doing plugins yet, but I know it's going to be very modular...I believe it will use an 'external' JVM for Java, which is what made me think of Squeak. Oddly, I find myself using Mozilla more and more these days even in it's pre-alpha state (out of frustration with Nscape 4.5)..the new GTK+ interface (on UNIX) is slick.
On a side-related note, it looks like the GTK+/Qt-native port of Squeak is dead...I revisited the web site and got the message that "QT and GTK Squeak Smalltalk are no longer available. " :(
(see http://www.informatik.fernuni-hagen.de/import/pi3/joerg/squeak/talktalk.ht ml)
Does anyone know what happened?
On 29-Apr-99 John.Maloney@disney.com wrote:
Kevin,
Making Squeak run as a plugin is a great idea, and you don't even need to tear into the Mozilla source code to do it! There's a Netscape Plugin SDK available from the Netscape web site that gives you all the interfaces you need. What's more, I'm pretty sure that this SDK produces plugins that work with Internet Explorer as well as Netscape Navigator.
We actually had this working at one time (2.5 years ago), but when I tried to get it going again, I got system errors and I haven't had the patience to get to the bottom of the problem. It's probably something trivial, perhaps having to do with memory allocation...
If you're serious about this project, I can give you pointers to the old hooks for doing this. If you're just hoping someone else will do it, don't worry. Someone probably will...
-- JohnAt 7:14 AM -0400 4/29/99, Kevin Fisher wrote:
Hi all:
I've been playing around with the most recent CVS builds of Mozilla (www.mozilla.org) and I had a thought yesterday...since Mozilla is completely open source, it would seem the ideal browser to build some kind of Squeak plugin for.
I realize there is an ActiveX plugin floating around out there, but for us non-Windoze types it doesn't help a whole lot. I'm just thinking it might be an ideal way to promote Squeak, the same way Netscape promoted Java. And the thought of everyone having access to Squeak Pages in their web browsers just makes me smile too...
You might also consider the complementary idea - using Mozilla as a plugin to Squeak, so that it can do all of the hard work of a modern, fully-capable web browser, with Squeak providing the rendering and front-end.
Hi all:
I've been playing around with the most recent CVS builds of Mozilla (www.mozilla.org) and I had a thought yesterday...since Mozilla is completely open source, it would seem the ideal browser to build some kind of Squeak plugin for.
I realize there is an ActiveX plugin floating around out there, but for us non-Windoze types it doesn't help a whole lot. I'm just thinking it might be an ideal way to promote Squeak, the same way Netscape promoted Java. And the thought of everyone having access to Squeak Pages in their web browsers just makes me smile too...
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