Have you tried Dynapad?

You'll found it in freshmeat.net

Any one is actually using it for applications in production state?

Regards,

Sebastián Sastre

ssastre@seaswork.com.ar Seaswork Special Software Solutions www.seaswork.com.ar

-----Mensaje original----- De: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre de Marten Feldtmann Enviado el: Miércoles, 27 de Octubre de 2004 15:37 Para: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Asunto: Re: PDA and Squeak

Can anyone tell me about the actual state of PDA stuff under Squeak is - most attempts have been closed as I know of.

Marten

Torsten Sadowski schrieb:

You want something as fast as possible. 400MHz and up with (if you can get it) 64MB flash and 64MB RAM.

Torsten

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Hi,

Which version can I run on a IPAQ PDA ? Will it be slow ? Is it possible to run the Squeak PDA or will it be to slow ?

Best Regards W.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:23:52 +0200, Marten Feldtmann m.feldtmann@t-online.de wrote:

Yes, but I was surprised to see, that nothing happened for the last two years ... and Cincom is now entering the market de to the fact, that these devices are seen as the doorway to managers.

Squeak was actually much, much faster than VW on these devices. I hold a talk about this topic at this year ESUG conference.

Marten

Marten

Sebastián Sastre schrieb:

...

Have you tried Dynapad?

You'll found it in freshmeat.net

  Any one is actually using it for applications in production

state?

Regards,

Sebastián Sastre

What is the difference of the 3.7 engine against the older 3.0 engines ...

Marten

Alejandro F. Reimondo schrieb:

I have just completed a port for PocketPC 2003 of the Squeak 3.7.1 using VMMaker, and plan to upload the files soon (during next week). This version run at the same speed than the other implementations and the only news is that uses VMMaker. If anyone is in a hurry I can send the files by email.

Alejandro F. Reimondo writes:

I have just completed a port for PocketPC 2003 of the Squeak 3.7.1 using VMMaker, and plan to upload the files soon (during next week). This version run at the same speed than the other implementations and the only news is that uses VMMaker. If anyone is in a hurry I can send the files by email.

Thanks, A current port to WinCE is really nice to have.

How complete is it? Does it support sockets or sound?

Bryce

You can download it from http://www.heeg.de/community/updates/VisualWorks_VM.html

Best regards, Cani

----- Original Message ----- From: Squeak Smalltalk wallenberg@gmail.com To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Date: Saturday, October 30, 2004, 11:50:02 AM Subject: PDA and Squeak

Hi,

Where can I find the visual.exe (visualworks) file for an Ipaq ? I had an image but no exe for my ipaq.

Best Regards W.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:43:02 +0100, Bryce Kampjes bryce@kampjes.demon.co.uk wrote:

...

Alejandro F. Reimondo writes:

...

I have just completed a port for PocketPC 2003 of the Squeak 3.7.1 using VMMaker, and plan to upload the files soon (during next week). This version run at the same speed than the other implementations and the only news is that uses VMMaker. If anyone is in a hurry I can send the files by email.

Thanks, A current port to WinCE is really nice to have.

How complete is it? Does it support sockets or sound?

Bryce

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Hi all,

How complete is it? Does it support sockets or sound?

I have built a VMMaker version and evc4.0 project. I could compile the project successfully and run my image.

I have uploaded - the source files to build the Squeak 3.7.1 VM - an image that I currently use with my iPAQ (PocketPC 2003). - an old VM on to the swiki named PocketPC at http://www.mvDelPlata.com.ar

The current VM has the following plugIns built as internal plugins

ADPCMCodecPlugin B3DEnginePlugin BMPReaderWriterPlugin BalloonEnginePlugin BitBltSimulationPlugin DeflatePlugin FilePlugin GeniePlugin JPEGReaderPlugin LargeIntegersPlugin Matrix2x3Plugin MiscPrimitivePlugin SocketPlugin

The update image from servers is running ok, so I think sockets is running :-)

I plan to add binary copies of VM and more details during this month.

best, Ale.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryce Kampjes" bryce@kampjes.demon.co.uk To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: PDA and Squeak

Alejandro F. Reimondo writes:

...

I have just completed a port for PocketPC 2003 of the Squeak 3.7.1

using

...

VMMaker, and plan to upload the files soon (during next week). This version run at the same speed than the other implementations and

the

...

only news is that uses VMMaker. If anyone is in a hurry I can send the files by email.

Thanks, A current port to WinCE is really nice to have.

How complete is it? Does it support sockets or sound?

Bryce

Hi Marten,

a) The image did not work on my Ipaq 2210

I am running the image with an extension card; it is a "normal" image with little changes (I plan to upload a file with the changes soon). It requires at least 17Mb free in the external backing store.

b) The virtual machine seems to be much, much slower than the old machine ... I have here. But I was able to start the dynapad image - but it behaves not very well.

The current implementation is only a rearrangement of files and recompilation on the C side. No changes in the Smalltalk side.

Make It Work Make It Right Make It Fast

I am trying to make it work, built with VMMaker and with FFI included (if posible to translate ASM code required by FFI ). [*]

cheers, Ale.

[*] The code is a little asm expression that must be adapted to ARMV4 processor. Any help will be appreciated. ASM code for x86 machine follows: ------------------------------------------ /*************************************************************************** **/ /*************************************************************************** **/ int oldSP; int oldBP; int newSP; int newBP;

/* ffiCallAddress: Perform the actual function call. */ int ffiCallAddress(int fn) { #if 0 { FILE *f = fopen("ffi.log","at"); fprintf(f, "%x",fn); fflush(f); fclose(f); } #endif #ifdef _MSC_VER __asm { push ebx mov ebx, fn push ecx push edx push edi push esi push ebp /* mark the frame */ mov ebp, esp /* alloca() ffiStackIndex size bytes */ mov ecx, ffiArgIndex shl ecx, 2 sub esp, ecx /* copy stack */ mov edi, esp lea esi, ffiArgs shr ecx, 2 cld rep movsd /* go calling */ call ebx /* restore frame */ mov esp, ebp /* store the return values */ mov intReturnValue, eax mov intReturnValue2, edx fstp floatReturnValue /* restore register values */ pop ebp pop esi pop edi pop edx pop ecx pop ebx /* done */ } #endif #ifdef __GNUC__ asm(" movl %%ebp, _oldBP movl %%esp, _oldSP pushl %%ebx; pushl %%ecx; pushl %%edx; pushl %%edi; pushl %%esi; pushl %%ebp; /* mark the frame */ movl %%esp, %%ebp /* alloca() ffiStackIndex size bytes */ movl _ffiArgIndex, %%ecx; shll $2, %%ecx; subl %%ecx, %%esp /* copy stack */ movl %%esp, %%edi; leal _ffiArgs, %%esi; shrl $2, %%ecx; cld; rep movsl; /* go calling */ call *%%ebx /* restore frame */ movl %%ebp, %%esp /* store the return values */ movl %%eax, _intReturnValue movl %%edx, _intReturnValue2 fstpl _floatReturnValue /* restore register values */ popl %%ebp popl %%esi popl %%edi popl %%edx popl %%ecx popl %%ebx movl %%ebp, _newBP movl %%esp, _newSP ": /* no outputs */ : "ebx" (fn) : "eax" /* clobbered registers */); /* done */ #endif #if 0 { FILE *f = fopen("ffi.log","at"); fprintf(f, "...ok\n"); if(oldBP != newBP || oldSP != newSP) { fprintf(f,"oldSP=%x, oldBP=%x\nnewSP=%x, newBP=%x\n",oldSP, oldBP,newSP,newBP); } fprintf(f,"SP=%x, BP=%x\n",newSP,newBP); fflush(f); fclose(f); } #endif return intReturnValue; } ------------------------------------------

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marten Feldtmann" M.Feldtmann@t-online.de To: "Alejandro F. Reimondo" aleReimondo@smalltalking.net Cc: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org; bryce@kampjes.demon.co.uk; wallenberg@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:38 PM Subject: Re: PDA and Squeak

I downloaded the stuff:

a) The image did not work on my Ipaq 2210 b) The virtual machine seems to be much, much slower than the old machine ... I have here. But I was able to start the dynapad image - but it behaves not very well.

Just a first short view

Marten