Hi there,
I been thinking about the value of blogs talking daily Squeak use. Squeak users/developers probably use the squeak's environment in different ways according to what they do/develop. And because Smalltalk was designed with the extremely valuable feature of making possible to be all inteligible for one individual, that sometimes could be a lonely task. That hasn't to be bad until the developer starts to loose valuable experiences because of that. For instance, if you are in pair programming, one developer could learn about a new way to find a method faster or a different class browser or a different subtle and clever way to use the browser, and so on...
That subtlelties that are easily transmitted person to person so meetings, BOf's and educational experiences are great to patch that, but what if your profile just don't have access to that at certain moment to any of those?
I think, (and I may be right or not in this) that there are lots of people that fits in this profile at least for some time and there is a gap on support to those people. The result of that gap is clear, or the person surpass it by itself or not.
If is interesting to us that more persons can surpass that gap and find the completeness of the squeak experience I think that fact makes interesting to us to have vehicles (blogs are the more feasible I think) with articles that friendly introduces stories of developments that in fact are merely excuses to comunicate tips that should be fulfilling the gap. Even when they may seem to be silly for more experienced developers.
I barely imagine a newbie's frustration to understand the complete cycle experience of developing with squeak because it happends to me the silly thing that I dicovered yesterday the preferences browser after some years of using squeak. Yes I know, I wasn't reading the menu and exploring that option by myself, but maybe that shouldn't be the only access to that information and access to information is what I'm talking about.
Maybe universities and schools that uses Squeak are aware and have taken measures about this, but I wanted to put this here "just in case" and because I think that is valuable for squeak and the whole smalltalk comunity that we have more bolgs that concentrates the veteran squeakers virtual-environmental experiences that acts as welcome and friendly "doors" to the knowledge and people can have an emotionally smoother experiences surpassing the squeak/smalltalk experience gaps and knowledge barriers.
cheers,
Sebastian Sastre
sure we should change the menu items and reevaluate our environment. :) Stef On 15 mai 07, at 17:30, Sebastian Sastre wrote:
Hi there,
I been thinking about the value of blogs talking daily Squeakuse. Squeak users/developers probably use the squeak's environment in different ways according to what they do/develop. And because Smalltalk was designed with the extremely valuable feature of making possible to be all inteligible for one individual, that sometimes could be a lonely task. That hasn't to be bad until the developer starts to loose valuable experiences because of that. For instance, if you are in pair programming, one developer could learn about a new way to find a method faster or a different class browser or a different subtle and clever way to use the browser, and so on...
That subtlelties that are easily transmitted person to personso meetings, BOf's and educational experiences are great to patch that, but what if your profile just don't have access to that at certain moment to any of those?
I think, (and I may be right or not in this) that there arelots of people that fits in this profile at least for some time and there is a gap on support to those people. The result of that gap is clear, or the person surpass it by itself or not.
If is interesting to us that more persons can surpass that gapand find the completeness of the squeak experience I think that fact makes interesting to us to have vehicles (blogs are the more feasible I think) with articles that friendly introduces stories of developments that in fact are merely excuses to comunicate tips that should be fulfilling the gap. Even when they may seem to be silly for more experienced developers.
I barely imagine a newbie's frustration to understand thecomplete cycle experience of developing with squeak because it happends to me the silly thing that I dicovered yesterday the preferences browser after some years of using squeak. Yes I know, I wasn't reading the menu and exploring that option by myself, but maybe that shouldn't be the only access to that information and access to information is what I'm talking about.
Maybe universities and schools that uses Squeak are aware andhave taken measures about this, but I wanted to put this here "just in case" and because I think that is valuable for squeak and the whole smalltalk comunity that we have more bolgs that concentrates the veteran squeakers virtual-environmental experiences that acts as welcome and friendly "doors" to the knowledge and people can have an emotionally smoother experiences surpassing the squeak/ smalltalk experience gaps and knowledge barriers.
cheers,Sebastian Sastre
Stef,
ok you can have that attitude if you want but A) you're not getting my point or B) you want to evade the point with the sarcasm.
I think I didn't wrote that with that lack of clarity, did I? Anyway.. suposing that is the case A what is going on here, let me say that I wasn't talking about improvments in tools nor the environment. They are what they are and I'm the first user/promotor of them. I was talking about transmitting how is *the squeak experience of using them* to people.
Also what happened to me does not matters at all here. In fact I had great support if that is the case. What matters is that we can try to cover the gap for the new ones.
So.. I only wanted to transmit the message that it seems to me that lots of veteran squeakers here has very valuable experiences to write down and publish and we can encourage them to take a few minutes and use texts editors a little more in the benefit of all.
As writing books is a very challenging taks, I proposed something much more feasible: blog articles. It even can help to make the public understand the difficulties that developers suffers lots of times alone, prevent useless criticism, etc. That would be friendly, cost modest efforts make people more popular, do more debate gymnastics so promote better Smalltalk, and in fact bright just because what they do or what they have done.
Is not about silly autopromotions, it's about sincere share of experiences. The kind of sharing I'm talking about is the share that adults can do preserving the very nature of the share that Mitchel Resink Scratch BBC's news show to us all today.
cheers,
Sebastian Sastre PS: Stef, also note that when a case B occurs in a situation like this, does not matters why or by whom, it is acting like a knowledge barrier for Smalltalk itself.
-----Mensaje original----- De: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre de stephane ducasse Enviado el: Martes, 15 de Mayo de 2007 17:10 Para: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Asunto: Re: Smoothing Squeak's usability barriers
sure we should change the menu items and reevaluate our environment. :) Stef On 15 mai 07, at 17:30, Sebastian Sastre wrote:
Hi there,
I been thinking about the value of blogs talking dailySqueak use.
Squeak users/developers probably use the squeak's environment in different ways according to what they do/develop. And because Smalltalk was designed with the extremely valuable feature
of making
possible to be all inteligible for one individual, that sometimes could be a lonely task. That hasn't to be bad until the developer starts to loose valuable experiences because of that. For
instance, if
you are in pair programming, one developer could learn
about a new way
to find a method faster or a different class browser or a different subtle and clever way to use the browser, and so on...
That subtlelties that are easily transmitted person toperson so
meetings, BOf's and educational experiences are great to
patch that,
but what if your profile just don't have access to that at certain moment to any of those?
I think, (and I may be right or not in this) that thereare lots
of people that fits in this profile at least for some time
and there
is a gap on support to those people. The result of that gap
is clear,
or the person surpass it by itself or not.
If is interesting to us that more persons can surpassthat gap and
find the completeness of the squeak experience I think that
fact makes
interesting to us to have vehicles (blogs are the more feasible I think) with articles that friendly introduces stories of
developments
that in fact are merely excuses to comunicate tips that should be fulfilling the gap. Even when they may seem to be silly for more experienced developers.
I barely imagine a newbie's frustration to understandthe complete
cycle experience of developing with squeak because it
happends to me
the silly thing that I dicovered yesterday the preferences browser after some years of using squeak. Yes I know, I wasn't reading the menu and exploring that option by myself, but maybe that
shouldn't be
the only access to that information and access to
information is what
I'm talking about.
Maybe universities and schools that uses Squeak areaware and have
taken measures about this, but I wanted to put this here "just in case" and because I think that is valuable for squeak and the whole smalltalk comunity that we have more bolgs that concentrates the veteran squeakers virtual-environmental experiences that acts as welcome and friendly "doors" to the knowledge and people
can have an
emotionally smoother experiences surpassing the squeak/ smalltalk experience gaps and knowledge barriers.
cheers,Sebastian Sastre
I understood what you were saying, Sebastian. Basically, you are suggesting that since documentation is hard to come by (especially in the Squeak world) a good alternative, and all-around compromise, is to have experienced users take up blogging/podcasting and record golden nuggets for others to learn from. While this can not substitute for clear tutorials and good documentation, it's a good compromise considering the amount of work necessary to pen a short blog or record a short podcast.
I also like the idea. As a (now ex) member of the documentation team I have to admit I could not work up much enthusiasm for something that appears to have attempted several times before. I'm not suggesting the current documentation project is not worthwhile, far from it, but I think Sabastian's idea could be of more immediate value to new Squeakers... getting active participation may prove difficult.
I, too, would like to present Squeak in a friendly and constructive way, using this great multimedia-authoring software with a built-in dynamic language, graphics, software libraries, and even great fonts and a collaborative 3D world. What better than for this system, written in itself, to present and describe itself?
All the other mediums serve useful purposes, but "instruction documents" lead newbies into the environment, dangling over the sheer breadth and depth of the knowledge chasm, not knowing even what questions to ask.
In-world, high-bandwidth, friendly, constructive material can assist digesting this information more quickly than external documents. A blend of non-interactive (like EventRecorder movies with audio), to "interactive" (providing input, selecting options), to full "assisted-construction" for small projects.
Also, this all has to be "plug 'n' play". A lot of people won't do "hard fun" up front, we need to be a path of least resistance, or at least equal. I hope a Naiad web link can serve as a single-click "start button" for easily entering the _friendly_ high-bandwidth world.
On 5/15/07, Derek O'Connell doconnel@gmail.com wrote:
I also like the idea. As a (now ex) member of the documentation team I have to admit I could not work up much enthusiasm for something that appears to have attempted several times before. I'm not suggesting the current documentation project is not worthwhile, far from it, but I think Sabastian's idea could be of more immediate value to new Squeakers... getting active participation may prove difficult.
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 5:09 am, Chris Muller wrote:
I, too, would like to present Squeak in a friendly and constructive way, using this great multimedia-authoring software with a built-in dynamic language, graphics, software libraries, and even great fonts and a collaborative 3D world. What better than for this system, written in itself, to present and describe itself?
You do have a point. I believe blogs are a good way to present the 'aha' experience but are the first ports of call for someone new to Squeak. The difficulty I faced when starting with Squeak was that information for beginners was sparse and all over the place. Many web links went nowhere. Squeak's wiki pages dont have a visible last-update displayed, so it is not clear if the discussion is still relevant (e.g. ImageSegments or Modules). Many of the articles target advanced programmers and leave the kids behind. Squeakland's projects and tutorials, and their stable plugin were a great help in getting to grips with Squeak.
But I feel we also need short, quick tutorials in other formats. For instance, take a look at docs for Xara Xtreme (vector graphics editor) - demos[1], how-tos [2] and newsletters [3]. The demos and how-tos are short and to the point. It just took me a couple of hours to grasp what Xara Xtreme is all about. The community contributions in newsletters sustains freshness, builds anticipation and brings in many 'aha' experiences.
[1] http://www.xara.com/products/xtreme/demos/default.asp. [2] http://www.xara.com/support/xtreme/hints/) [3] http://www.xaraxone.com/
Regards .. Subbu
Well at least Lukas and Ramon are doing this already, so I think it is reasonable.
From: "Derek O'Connell" doconnel@gmail.com Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers listsqueak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: Smoothing Squeak's usability barriers Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:39:58 +0100
I also like the idea. As a (now ex) member of the documentation team I have to admit I could not work up much enthusiasm for something that appears to have attempted several times before. I'm not suggesting the current documentation project is not worthwhile, far from it, but I think Sabastian's idea could be of more immediate value to new Squeakers... getting active participation may prove difficult.
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JJ,
yes, they are, and they are very very good, but you don't think that an attitude like that is beign some kind of conformist? I mean, to find that reasonable is to find reasonable the fact of leaving just as they are all the gaps they haven't covered yet of useful things that can be done with a Squeak system. So let's forget conformism.
My guess is that here are many others that can, with modest efforts, write experiences as valuable as Ramon and Lukas do but talking about other interesting subjects. At first does not matter too much the media/software used as long as it is proven to provide easyness of access to information. For instance, reading a blog only requires a browser and internet. To work, this stage needs to be pragmatic.
People does not necessarily has bright because they surpassed successfully super complex problems with their virtual models, off course that deserves it's merit, but also because they have succeeded in the comunication process of transmitting the value of the experience of have done some technical stuff that is valuable to others with a minimum of affinity of thought. And note that in the long term that fact can be one key factor in the survival or propagation of that piece of software or it's results.
So let's evaluate the attitude of doing our part in supporting this, that for instance should mean not producing inhibition, to initiatives of people that may be almost ready (one never really are) but has the attitude to go ahead and talk the better that they can at that moment to more people what are being done here and it's results. That is Smalltalk+communication value to me.
All the best,
Sebastian
-----Mensaje original----- De: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre de J J Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Mayo de 2007 05:02 Para: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Asunto: Re: Smoothing Squeak's usability barriers
Well at least Lukas and Ramon are doing this already, so I think it is reasonable.
From: "Derek O'Connell" doconnel@gmail.com Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers listsqueak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: Smoothing Squeak's usability barriers Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:39:58 +0100
I also like the idea. As a (now ex) member of the
documentation team I
have to admit I could not work up much enthusiasm for something that appears to have attempted several times before. I'm not
suggesting the
current documentation project is not worthwhile, far from it, but I think Sabastian's idea could be of more immediate value to new Squeakers... getting active participation may prove difficult.
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From: "Sebastian Sastre" ssastre@seaswork.com Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers listsqueak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org To: "'The general-purpose Squeak developers list'"squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: RE: Smoothing Squeak's usability barriers Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:31:46 -0300
JJ,
yes, they are, and they are very very good, but you don't think that an attitude like that is beign some kind of conformist? I mean, to find that reasonable is to find reasonable the fact of leaving just as they are all the gaps they haven't covered yet of useful things that can be done with a Squeak system. So let's forget conformism.
I think you misunderstand me (I'm not always clear). I meant that I know of at least two people already doing it, so it seems reasonable that more people would want to as well.
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are all the gaps they haven't covered yet of useful things
that can be
done with a Squeak system. So let's forget conformism.
I think you misunderstand me (I'm not always clear). I meant that I know of at least two people already doing it, so it seems reasonable that more people would want to as well.
JJ,
It's like:
-I have friend with a pop eye named John -Really? And how it's named he's other eye?
It's called 'syntactic ambiguity'. It's a problem that our natural (informal) language has (in all languages), so it's constantly is giving us some workload in pre or post desambiguations of things that we say/write.
All te best,
Sebastian
Sebastian, excellent description of the costs of ambiguity in our language, which can be even higher in a low-bandwidth mailing list.
In working with people from around the globe it can happen a lot, and I don't mind "going meta" on someone like you just did and asking for clarification when it occurs on something meaningful. We should all pay attention to our words and their possible alternate interpretations.
Cheers.
On 5/23/07, Sebastian Sastre ssastre@seaswork.com wrote:
are all the gaps they haven't covered yet of useful things
that can be
done with a Squeak system. So let's forget conformism.
I think you misunderstand me (I'm not always clear). I meant that I know of at least two people already doing it, so it seems reasonable that more people would want to as well.
JJ,
It's like:-I have friend with a pop eye named John -Really? And how it's named he's other eye?
It's called 'syntactic ambiguity'. It's a problem that our natural(informal) language has (in all languages), so it's constantly is giving us some workload in pre or post desambiguations of things that we say/write.
All te best,
Sebastian
Chris, yes "going meta" is useful when it brings a chance for making things to be a little better. Regarding to "paying attention" to our words.. I modestly suggest that we all can benefit of improving our comunication skills. That will print more value in all what we do. Learning a little how to write well, some argumentation theory, knowing all classes of fallacies, I mean, choose what is a priority for your case in other areas of knowledge than informatics. That is basic for preventing those avoidable costs in dev-squeak (and in life by the way). I'm saying this because sometimes could happen that we need more than attention. In smalltalkish: often we'll need anAttention + aNewInformation that we can adquire it from lectures (not just googling) by reading it on books on those non informatics topics. Good readers could make good writers.
All the best,
Sebastian PS: just in case... by good writers I didn't mean just writing software ;)
-----Mensaje original----- De: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre de Chris Muller Enviado el: Miércoles, 23 de Mayo de 2007 23:01 Para: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Asunto: Re: Smoothing Squeak's usability barriers
Sebastian, excellent description of the costs of ambiguity in our language, which can be even higher in a low-bandwidth mailing list.
In working with people from around the globe it can happen a lot, and I don't mind "going meta" on someone like you just did and asking for clarification when it occurs on something meaningful. We should all pay attention to our words and their possible alternate interpretations.
Cheers.
On 5/23/07, Sebastian Sastre ssastre@seaswork.com wrote:
are all the gaps they haven't covered yet of useful things
that can be
done with a Squeak system. So let's forget conformism.
I think you misunderstand me (I'm not always clear). I
meant that I
know of at least two people already doing it, so it seems
reasonable
that more people would want to as well.
JJ,
It's like:-I have friend with a pop eye named John -Really? And how
it's named
he's other eye?
It's called 'syntactic ambiguity'. It's a problem that ournatural (informal) language has (in all languages), so it's constantly is giving us some workload in pre or post desambiguations of
things that we say/write.
All te best,
Sebastian
Anyone have suggestions for tools to use for recording and editing screen casts on windows?
Ron
From: Brad Fuller
I understood what you were saying, Sebastian. Basically, you are suggesting that since documentation is hard to come by (especially in the Squeak world) a good alternative, and all-around compromise, is to have experienced users take up blogging/podcasting and record golden nuggets for others to learn from. While this can not substitute for clear tutorials and good documentation, it's a good compromise considering the amount of work necessary to pen a short blog or record a short podcast.
-- brad fuller website: www.bradfuller.com linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bradfuller +1 (408) 799-6124
Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
Anyone have suggestions for tools to use for recording and editing screen casts on windows?
Not for windows, but for Linux recordMyDesktop works pretty well: http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/index.php
Brad Fuller a écrit :
Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
Anyone have suggestions for tools to use for recording and editing screen casts on windows?
Not for windows, but for Linux recordMyDesktop works pretty well: http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/index.php
and if you want a linux (virtual) in windows....go to www.virtualbox.org :) really cool and opensource...
Cédrick
ps: this solved my problem of slow snapshoting method...as I now use squeak in the virtual linux...of course It's twisted but it works...
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'm looking at them all.
Ron
From: Cédrick ENIT
Brad Fuller a écrit :
Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
Anyone have suggestions for tools to use for recording and editing
screen
casts on windows?
Not for windows, but for Linux recordMyDesktop works pretty well: http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/index.php
and if you want a linux (virtual) in windows....go to www.virtualbox.org :) really cool and opensource...
Cédrick
ps: this solved my problem of slow snapshoting method...as I now use squeak in the virtual linux...of course It's twisted but it works...
Well you can make Sophie books that point to web based mp3/videos etc etc, explaining how Squeak works. Plus if someone wants to make a Sophie Frame that executes Smalltalk Code that would be welcome.
However that is all easy, the hard part (and most time consuming) is making up the video and storyline that you want to show.
I'll note of course our one video of how to make a sophie book got lots of feedback from people who said, "Oh so that is what you do. " Something about a picture being like a thousand words...
On May 16, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Michael Doherty wrote:
Sophie?
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On Wednesday 16 May 2007 5:10 am, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
Anyone have suggestions for tools to use for recording and editing screen casts on windows?
VNC2SWF (vnc2swf.sf.net) is simple and quick. Would serve nicely for how-tos. xvidcap does a good job on Linux, Unix and Mac.
Regards .. Subbu
On 16/05/07, Derek O'Connell doconnel@gmail.com wrote:
Ron, check out Wink here: http://www.debugmode.com/
Wink's a very useful tool; I use it regularly at work for presenting applications for user groups. It will capture screenshots at fixed intervals, or on specified events, and allows you to delete, pause and edit those frames (adding annotations etc). It also captures the mouse pointer as a separate object allowing you to remove the evidence of shaky hands, although I've not tested whether that works with the Squeak pointer.
Chipping in another (complementary) idea, something like http://www.icanprogram.com/ would be great *and* good for promotional purposes.
Derek O'Connell wrote:
Ron, check out Wink here: http://www.debugmode.com/
The OLPC image has a enhanced event recorder that is called EventTheatre. I theink its worth a look.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys
Karl
Just downloaded latest Wink and did a quick test: http://www.doconnel.force9.co.uk/squeak/wink/
As you can see, it captures the mouse ok but not morphs attached to the hand. This took me 2 mins in total, most of that was resizing the squeak window and actually doing something in squeak. Wink made the rest a brainless exercise, which is lucky because mine is not working too well this morning, lol. BTW I had not actually used Wink before this, just remembered it was considered a good application.
Karl, thanks for the info.
Well, a very good tool is Wink (the last time I visit this site, the linux version is old, but the windows is the last).
This tool records the desktop, and you can then edit it to bring it up "globes" with information, or interaction with the user.
Is the Tool thath uses the "cincom guy" (sorry, i'm offline now and I can't give links or names) on "Daily's Smalltalk" blog at cincom.
You can export them as "Adobe Flash", embebbed on a html page, ready to upload to a webserver.
I hope this is usefull tu you (because will be usefull to all newbies like me)
| Giuseppe Luigi Punzi |
El 16/05/2007, a las 1:40, Ron Teitelbaum escribió:
Anyone have suggestions for tools to use for recording and editing screen casts on windows?
Ron
From: Brad Fuller
I understood what you were saying, Sebastian. Basically, you are suggesting that since documentation is hard to come by (especially in the Squeak world) a good alternative, and all-around compromise, is to have experienced users take up blogging/podcasting and record golden nuggets for others to learn from. While this can not substitute for clear tutorials and good documentation, it's a good compromise considering the amount of work necessary to pen a short blog or record a short podcast.
-- brad fuller website: www.bradfuller.com linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bradfuller +1 (408) 799-6124
Yeah I looked at wink. I was hoping to do something that could be used on weeklySqueak. I suppose if I upload the movie to Google then share it from wordpress that will work. I like the idea of doing Sophie too but I'm not sure how well that meets the goals of allowing non-squeakers to view screecasts online. What ever we do it should be wordpress publishable.
Thanks
Ron
-----Original Message----- From: Giuseppe Luigi Punzi Ruiz [mailto:glpunzi@zyoconsulting.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:29 PM To: Ron@USMedRec.com; The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: Smoothing Squeak's usability barriers
Well, a very good tool is Wink (the last time I visit this site, the linux version is old, but the windows is the last).
This tool records the desktop, and you can then edit it to bring it up "globes" with information, or interaction with the user.
Is the Tool thath uses the "cincom guy" (sorry, i'm offline now and I can't give links or names) on "Daily's Smalltalk" blog at cincom.
You can export them as "Adobe Flash", embebbed on a html page, ready to upload to a webserver.
I hope this is usefull tu you (because will be usefull to all newbies like me)
| Giuseppe Luigi Punzi |
El 16/05/2007, a las 1:40, Ron Teitelbaum escribió:
Anyone have suggestions for tools to use for recording and editing screen casts on windows?
Ron
From: Brad Fuller
I understood what you were saying, Sebastian. Basically, you are suggesting that since documentation is hard to come by (especially in the Squeak world) a good alternative, and all-around compromise, is to have experienced users take up blogging/podcasting and record golden nuggets for others to learn from. While this can not substitute for clear tutorials and good documentation, it's a good compromise considering the amount of work necessary to pen a short blog or record a short podcast.
-- brad fuller website: www.bradfuller.com linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bradfuller +1 (408) 799-6124
On Tue, 15 May 2007 19:40:07 -0400, "Ron Teitelbaum" Ron@USMedRec.com wrote:
Anyone have suggestions for tools to use for recording and editing screen casts on windows?
Check out CamStudio - its free, and works great.
Later, Jon
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Brad,
yes, it can also be put like that. and Derek has experience on documentation and he already saw that is not enough, and, because of the described gap, I had to agree with him. To illustrate: even for the hypothesis of having today a Squeak with perfect documentation, little simple and friendly articles will be worth because they work in another information access level. So, an initiative like this has not any conflic nor excludence for Squeak documentation. This is to fulfill another gap. A gap that several here has already surpassed having "payed the toll" (in at least the self-education's operative costs in $ and patience) but others are nessesarily going to pay or desist from entering to the Smalltalk market.
So maybe, with a sum of modest distributed and heterogenic efforts from veterans and experienced ones giving the example (as a secondary but good intention), we can create a culture to find 'discounts' for their 'toll' making our part in the community grow index's health and showing that the community is prepared to (safely) receive more people.
This could be specially interesting now that there is a trend of a grow in dynamic 'languages' interest and so Smalltalk may attract people. The nonSmalltalker market are sowly (more slow that we like or want) starting to be aware of smalltalk like feature's value (see that Rails conf for instance).
And for motivated authors, also the articles can be preludes of papers (formalizations) or just the exploration through the discussion and extrapolations of ideas. So more space for useful criticism (so interesting conclusions) may appear for sure because the Smalltalk is the technology that promotes intelect in a very straight way, this is, more informatics and less computer than other technologies.
As in any software project, there are other things to do than writing software and they haven't necessarily to be expensive nor extravagant.
cheers,
Sebastian Sastre
-----Mensaje original----- De: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre de Brad Fuller Enviado el: Martes, 15 de Mayo de 2007 19:03 Para: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Asunto: Re: Smoothing Squeak's usability barriers
I understood what you were saying, Sebastian. Basically, you are suggesting that since documentation is hard to come by (especially in the Squeak world) a good alternative, and all-around compromise, is to have experienced users take up blogging/podcasting and record golden nuggets for others to learn from. While this can not substitute for clear tutorials and good documentation, it's a good compromise considering the amount of work necessary to pen a short blog or record a short podcast.
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Hi Sebastian--
These are great ideas! I have a recording studio, and would be happy to do post-production on podcast audio and video (noise reduction, normalization, equalization, etc.), or even record some if there are particular topics people would like to see.
thanks,
-C
Here's a very good example of how a video can be used to introduce the usage of an application. It's very well done:
in lo-fi (94 MB) http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Demo-lo-res.mov and hi-fi (240 MB) http://FASTLabInc.com/Siren/Siren7.5.Demo-hi-res.mov
Sebastian Sastre wrote:
Hi there,
I been thinking about the value of blogs talking daily Squeak use.Squeak users/developers probably use the squeak's environment in different ways according to what they do/develop. And because Smalltalk was designed with the extremely valuable feature of making possible to be all inteligible for one individual, that sometimes could be a lonely task. That hasn't to be bad until the developer starts to loose valuable experiences because of that. For instance, if you are in pair programming, one developer could learn about a new way to find a method faster or a different class browser or a different subtle and clever way to use the browser, and so on...
That subtlelties that are easily transmitted person to person someetings, BOf's and educational experiences are great to patch that, but what if your profile just don't have access to that at certain moment to any of those?
I think, (and I may be right or not in this) that there are lotsof people that fits in this profile at least for some time and there is a gap on support to those people. The result of that gap is clear, or the person surpass it by itself or not.
If is interesting to us that more persons can surpass that gapand find the completeness of the squeak experience I think that fact makes interesting to us to have vehicles (blogs are the more feasible I think) with articles that friendly introduces stories of developments that in fact are merely excuses to comunicate tips that should be fulfilling the gap. Even when they may seem to be silly for more experienced developers.
I barely imagine a newbie's frustration to understand the completecycle experience of developing with squeak because it happends to me the silly thing that I dicovered yesterday the preferences browser after some years of using squeak. Yes I know, I wasn't reading the menu and exploring that option by myself, but maybe that shouldn't be the only access to that information and access to information is what I'm talking about.
Maybe universities and schools that uses Squeak are aware and havetaken measures about this, but I wanted to put this here "just in case" and because I think that is valuable for squeak and the whole smalltalk comunity that we have more bolgs that concentrates the veteran squeakers virtual-environmental experiences that acts as welcome and friendly "doors" to the knowledge and people can have an emotionally smoother experiences surpassing the squeak/smalltalk experience gaps and knowledge barriers.
cheers,Sebastian Sastre
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