My (off-topic?, sorry) answer to this,
It's somewhat ironic that Alan Kay, who urged his group to "Burn The Disk Packs" (http://www.smalltalk.org/smalltalk/TheEarlyHistoryOfSmalltalk_V.html) is using an image which has basically survived from the early eighties :-) But I love it that way.
is this, as I see it of course: It is because Smalltalk is so aMAZEing.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze that most, including myself "love it that way". It is the original (apriori) goodie.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apriori_algorithm >. The Object, toward which Smalltalkers Orient themselves, is fixed, like the fence surrounding a Kindergarten. That fence plays the limiting role which Reason itself is supposed to supply, but which, in children, is still too underdeveloped. Alan Kay (correct me if I am wrong), being a professional child behaviorist and a pragmatic knew that, all to well. He sought to nurture the Positive Imagination by limiting the Negative Reason. So he gathered together some other adult "children" from a University to help him build a kind of Turing Machine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_Machine to frame his ideas, and encapsulate the imagination. A machine which could squease the immagination like a lemon, "until the pips squeak". He also knew that the child within us could never be extinguished: That at each stage of our development, through to old age, we will behave just like a child. Our Imagination growing ever richer with the years, but our capacity to use our inner Reason, as nature determined, held back. That fence, formerly for our protection, then becomes our undoing. Reflect upon the egg. The shell is so designed by nature, strong enough to protect the growing chicken within. Too strong, it will not allow the chicken to escape, and it will die, before it can take breath of air. JW
---- Hans-Martin Mosner hmm@heeg.de wrote:
Austin King wrote:
Greetings Squeakers, I am interested in the history of the Squeak 3.8 image.
Metaphorically how much is my Squeak image like sourdough bread?
That's an interesting comparison (especially as I rather like sourdough bread...)
..
:-) But I love it that way.
Cheers, Hans-Martin
Hi Justin,
That fence, formerly for our protection, then becomes our undoing. Reflect upon the egg. The shell is so designed by nature, strong enough to protect the growing chicken within. Too strong, it will not allow the chicken to escape, and it will die, before it can take breath of air.
Encapsulation... Any thing is anObject... Classify, then... act guided by your vission of "the world".
People understand y use the tools of Object Orientation, but do not recognize it's limits and the consecuences of the use and abuse of reduction'ism' (to models). Making people return to feel as a child has the power of magic, but do not solve the problems of education (in use and development of open systems). Children produces the same amount of garbage than adults.
In Smalltalk we have an egg without shell; because it is open (in contents and time). But peole do not know how to use it in a more powerful way than a container (to put objects inside). A big effort is payed in understanding of the internals (VM architecture and decomposition/modelization of behavior) as a way to write the DNA code of the ambient; but there is no efforts in teaching how to use Smalltalk to make education in ambience (Educación en Ambiente, in Spanish).
The shell is not strong, but most chicken do not want to go outside, trying to be aChild for ever. aChild as anObject of a new theory - Theory new - an new instance of an only ONE abstract concept
The use of Smalltalk as a support for education (and not for only instruction) on how to break the limits of Object Orientation is a posible direction of development of Object Technology. A path not tried in the last 30 years where nothing has happened. Yet.
best, Ale.
----- Original Message ----- From: jwalsh@bigpond.net.au To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Cc: "Hans-Martin Mosner" hmm@heeg.de Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:39 AM Subject: I love it that way? [Re: How much is my Squeak Image like Sourdough bread?]
My (off-topic?, sorry) answer to this,
It's somewhat ironic that Alan Kay, who urged his group to "Burn The Disk Packs" (http://www.smalltalk.org/smalltalk/TheEarlyHistoryOfSmalltalk_V.html) is using an image which has basically survived from the early eighties :-) But I love it that way.
is this, as I see it of course: It is because Smalltalk is so aMAZEing.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze
that most, including myself "love it that way".
It is the original (apriori)
goodie.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apriori_algorithm >.
The Object, toward which Smalltalkers Orient themselves, is fixed, like
the fence surrounding a Kindergarten.
That fence plays the limiting role which Reason itself is supposed to
supply, but which, in children, is still too underdeveloped.
Alan Kay (correct me if I am wrong), being a professional child
behaviorist and a pragmatic knew that, all to well.
He sought to nurture the Positive Imagination by limiting the Negative
Reason.
So he gathered together some other adult "children" from a University to
help him build a kind of Turing Machine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_Machine to frame his ideas, and encapsulate the imagination.
A machine which could squease the immagination like a lemon, "until the
pips squeak".
He also knew that the child within us could never be extinguished: That at each stage of our development, through to old age, we will behave
just like a child.
Our Imagination growing ever richer with the years, but our capacity to
use our inner Reason, as nature determined, held back.
That fence, formerly for our protection, then becomes our undoing. Reflect upon the egg. The shell is so designed by nature, strong enough to protect the growing
chicken within.
Too strong, it will not allow the chicken to escape, and it will die,
before it can take breath of air.
JW
---- Hans-Martin Mosner hmm@heeg.de wrote:
Austin King wrote:
Greetings Squeakers, I am interested in the history of the Squeak 3.8 image.
Metaphorically how much is my Squeak image like sourdough bread?
That's an interesting comparison (especially as I rather like sourdough bread...)
..
:-) But I love it that way.
Cheers, Hans-Martin
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