Am 21.09.2008 um 03:51 schrieb Robert Hawley:
Hi Bert
I wrote a timesRepeatMorph and put it on SqueakMap but have found the one in OLPC etoys and that is better.
Hehe - kudos to Scott :) But he also went through several iterations, see below.
Is there progress on the repository you mentioned before?
Not that I know of - Michael would be the person to talk to about the details going forward.
Is there any problem with lifting the code for the OLPC timesRepeat and putting it into SqueakMap so that it can be imported to Squeak Morphic? (It would be good to have it there, but I don't want to tread on someone else's toes unnecessarily).
No, on the contrary, we'd love for the Etoys changes to be merged back into mainstream Squeak (and vice versa), but sadly there never seems to be enough time for doing that.
Anyway, all the Etoys change-sets are mirrored here:
http://etoys.laptop.org/src/changesets/
and looking at the full ChangeLogs at
indicates these to be relevant for times-repeat:
=== 1146timesRepeat-sw.cs === Change Set: timesRepeat-sw Date: 20 December 2006 Author: Scott Wallace
Adds a 'Repeat' tile to etoys.
Caution: All the indicated repetitions of the code in the Do section are run atomically when the Repeat complex is run. I t is tantalizing to contemplate an implementation in which the repetitions are distributed across successive ticks of a tick ing script, but that is not what we have here.
NB There are still some glitches to be ironed out -- see below -- but the feature is usable.
Obtain a Repeat...Times tile from either of two places: -- a Scriptor's menu -- the 'miscellaneous' category in a Viewer
Still faulty: -- Drop-zone-highlight [green] feedback often not properly offered in the TIMES areas. -- Extension arrow is presented but nothing actually happens when you click on it yet.
=== 1381timesCarets-sw.cs === Change Set: timesCarets-sw Date: 15 June 2007 Author: Scott Wallace
Makes the 'times' part of the Times-Repeat unit conducive to suffix arrow and re tract-arrow use.
Because of the significant structure change, the new times-repeat tile is embodi ed in a new classs, TimesRepeatTile, as a replacement fot TimesRepeatMorph. For the moment at least we leave the latter in place, unchanged, for backward compa tibility, though this may turn out not to have been entirely wise.
=== 1385timesRepeatFixes-sw.cs === Change Set: timesRepeatFixes-sw Date: 23 June 2007 Author: Scott Wallace
Avoid error when generating code for empty-Times-area case. Avoid error when Times area evaluates to non-integer. Note: The obsolete TimesRepeatMorph also has its code-generating code fixed her e.
=== 2005timesRepeatFixes-sw.cs === Change Set: timesRepeatFixes-sw Date: 28 May 2008 Author: Scott Wallace, Karl Ramberg
TRAC 7044: TimesRepeat tile is not translated.
This update makes the Times, Repeat, and Do labels on Times/Repeat tiles translatable, but it will take a while for actual t ranslations to catch up...
Also fixes a bug that resulted in an unwanted pale green spacer on the Times tile, as well as a bug that resulted in the tem porary positioning of the extension arrow before the 2 on a nascent times tile (rather than after the 2, as expected) ... th anks to Karl for both of those fixes.
- Bert -
Yours
Bob (Robert Hawley) ________________________________________ From: Bert Freudenberg [bert@freudenbergs.de] Sent: 10 July 2008 10:54 To: Robert Hawley Cc: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Making morphs scriptable
Am 10.07.2008 um 07:25 schrieb Robert Hawley:
There is an eToys scriptable DiceMorph and an eToys scriptable CalculatorMorph on SqueakMap. I'd welcome comments or bug reports.
The calculator can be driven entirely from scripts, which makes it quite fun and potentially interesting for schools.
The DiceMorph is a reasonably simple example of how to make a morph scriptable.
I am surprised there aren't more eToys scriptable morphic objects available. Is there a coherent repository that I have yet to discover?
No - the Etoys community is even less organized than the Squeak community in general ;)
Current Etoys discussion takes place at
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoysWe plan to switch to a community-driven development style so now is the perfect time to join the efforts. A public repository for contributions will be one of the first steps.
- Bert -
El 9/21/08 5:28 AM, "Bert Freudenberg" bert@freudenbergs.de escribió:
No, on the contrary, we'd love for the Etoys changes to be merged back into mainstream Squeak (and vice versa), but sadly there never seems to be enough time for doing that.
Anyway, all the Etoys change-sets are mirrored here:
http://etoys.laptop.org/src/changesets/
and looking at the full ChangeLogs at
I take all changes and put in SqueakLigtII.
As at this point no 3.11 image, no 4.0 image, this is the facto more new thing.
I do a preview for students in UTN Rosario. Also I plan to do a presentation in Smaltalks 2008.
Stay tuned for last notice.
Edgar
The issue with the TimesRepeatTile is that it is running atomic, no other stuff happens while it is running, so it basically blocks the ui and all other stuff and if you tell it to run 100.000 times it will make users think the system crashed. I don't have a fix for this. But I guess you could wrap the tile in a process and hide the quite tricky stuff behind the scenes. It would be cool if someone tackled this issue.
Also a related is runaway processes/ scripts in general in etoys that can happen and could use a solution. Also a etoy debugger would be cool, where you could step trough the tiles and follow the execution. This would help in understanding the system and why and where stuff happen.
Karl
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Am 21.09.2008 um 03:51 schrieb Robert Hawley:
Hi Bert
I wrote a timesRepeatMorph and put it on SqueakMap but have found the one in OLPC etoys and that is better.
Hehe - kudos to Scott :) But he also went through several iterations, see below.
Is there progress on the repository you mentioned before?
Not that I know of - Michael would be the person to talk to about the details going forward.
Is there any problem with lifting the code for the OLPC timesRepeat and putting it into SqueakMap so that it can be imported to Squeak Morphic? (It would be good to have it there, but I don't want to tread on someone else's toes unnecessarily).
No, on the contrary, we'd love for the Etoys changes to be merged back into mainstream Squeak (and vice versa), but sadly there never seems to be enough time for doing that.
Anyway, all the Etoys change-sets are mirrored here:
http://etoys.laptop.org/src/changesets/
and looking at the full ChangeLogs at
indicates these to be relevant for times-repeat:
=== 1146timesRepeat-sw.cs === Change Set: timesRepeat-sw Date: 20 December 2006 Author: Scott Wallace
Adds a 'Repeat' tile to etoys.
Caution: All the indicated repetitions of the code in the Do section are run atomically when the Repeat complex is run. I t is tantalizing to contemplate an implementation in which the repetitions are distributed across successive ticks of a tick ing script, but that is not what we have here.
NB There are still some glitches to be ironed out -- see below -- but the feature is usable.
Obtain a Repeat...Times tile from either of two places: -- a Scriptor's menu -- the 'miscellaneous' category in a Viewer
Still faulty: -- Drop-zone-highlight [green] feedback often not properly offered in the TIMES areas. -- Extension arrow is presented but nothing actually happens when you click on it yet.
=== 1381timesCarets-sw.cs === Change Set: timesCarets-sw Date: 15 June 2007 Author: Scott Wallace
Makes the 'times' part of the Times-Repeat unit conducive to suffix arrow and re tract-arrow use.
Because of the significant structure change, the new times-repeat tile is embodi ed in a new classs, TimesRepeatTile, as a replacement fot TimesRepeatMorph. For the moment at least we leave the latter in place, unchanged, for backward compa tibility, though this may turn out not to have been entirely wise.
=== 1385timesRepeatFixes-sw.cs === Change Set: timesRepeatFixes-sw Date: 23 June 2007 Author: Scott Wallace
Avoid error when generating code for empty-Times-area case. Avoid error when Times area evaluates to non-integer. Note: The obsolete TimesRepeatMorph also has its code-generating code fixed her e.
=== 2005timesRepeatFixes-sw.cs === Change Set: timesRepeatFixes-sw Date: 28 May 2008 Author: Scott Wallace, Karl Ramberg
TRAC 7044: TimesRepeat tile is not translated.
This update makes the Times, Repeat, and Do labels on Times/Repeat tiles translatable, but it will take a while for actual t ranslations to catch up...
Also fixes a bug that resulted in an unwanted pale green spacer on the Times tile, as well as a bug that resulted in the tem porary positioning of the extension arrow before the 2 on a nascent times tile (rather than after the 2, as expected) ... th anks to Karl for both of those fixes.
- Bert -
Yours
Bob (Robert Hawley) ________________________________________ From: Bert Freudenberg [bert@freudenbergs.de] Sent: 10 July 2008 10:54 To: Robert Hawley Cc: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Making morphs scriptable
Am 10.07.2008 um 07:25 schrieb Robert Hawley:
There is an eToys scriptable DiceMorph and an eToys scriptable CalculatorMorph on SqueakMap. I'd welcome comments or bug reports.
The calculator can be driven entirely from scripts, which makes it quite fun and potentially interesting for schools.
The DiceMorph is a reasonably simple example of how to make a morph scriptable.
I am surprised there aren't more eToys scriptable morphic objects available. Is there a coherent repository that I have yet to discover?
No - the Etoys community is even less organized than the Squeak community in general ;)
Current Etoys discussion takes place at
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoysWe plan to switch to a community-driven development style so now is the perfect time to join the efforts. A public repository for contributions will be one of the first steps.
- Bert -
Am 21.09.2008 um 15:03 schrieb Karl Ramberg:
The issue with the TimesRepeatTile is that it is running atomic, no other stuff happens while it is running, so it basically blocks the ui and all other stuff and if you tell it to run 100.000 times it will make users think the system crashed. I don't have a fix for this. But I guess you could wrap the tile in a process and hide the quite tricky stuff behind the scenes. It would be cool if someone tackled this issue.
Well, it's a fundamental shortcoming of the current Etoys design. Tweak Etoys solves this rather nicely. Yoshiki also made something like you suggest for the current Etoys, but we consider that too risky to add at this point.
Also a related is runaway processes/ scripts in general in etoys that can happen and could use a solution. Also a etoy debugger would be cool, where you could step trough the tiles and follow the execution. This would help in understanding the system and why and where stuff happen.
Karl
That would definitely be very nice, yes. We have no intent to work on this for the current Etoys so feel free to invent something :)
- Bert -
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Am 21.09.2008 um 03:51 schrieb Robert Hawley:
Hi Bert
I wrote a timesRepeatMorph and put it on SqueakMap but have found the one in OLPC etoys and that is better.
Hehe - kudos to Scott :) But he also went through several iterations, see below.
Is there progress on the repository you mentioned before?
Not that I know of - Michael would be the person to talk to about the details going forward.
Is there any problem with lifting the code for the OLPC timesRepeat and putting it into SqueakMap so that it can be imported to Squeak Morphic? (It would be good to have it there, but I don't want to tread on someone else's toes unnecessarily).
No, on the contrary, we'd love for the Etoys changes to be merged back into mainstream Squeak (and vice versa), but sadly there never seems to be enough time for doing that.
Anyway, all the Etoys change-sets are mirrored here:
http://etoys.laptop.org/src/changesets/
and looking at the full ChangeLogs at
indicates these to be relevant for times-repeat:
=== 1146timesRepeat-sw.cs === Change Set: timesRepeat-sw Date: 20 December 2006 Author: Scott Wallace
Adds a 'Repeat' tile to etoys.
Caution: All the indicated repetitions of the code in the Do section are run atomically when the Repeat complex is run. I t is tantalizing to contemplate an implementation in which the repetitions are distributed across successive ticks of a tick ing script, but that is not what we have here.
NB There are still some glitches to be ironed out -- see below -- but the feature is usable.
Obtain a Repeat...Times tile from either of two places: -- a Scriptor's menu -- the 'miscellaneous' category in a Viewer
Still faulty: -- Drop-zone-highlight [green] feedback often not properly offered in the TIMES areas. -- Extension arrow is presented but nothing actually happens when you click on it yet.
=== 1381timesCarets-sw.cs === Change Set: timesCarets-sw Date: 15 June 2007 Author: Scott Wallace
Makes the 'times' part of the Times-Repeat unit conducive to suffix arrow and re tract-arrow use.
Because of the significant structure change, the new times-repeat tile is embodi ed in a new classs, TimesRepeatTile, as a replacement fot TimesRepeatMorph. For the moment at least we leave the latter in place, unchanged, for backward compa tibility, though this may turn out not to have been entirely wise.
=== 1385timesRepeatFixes-sw.cs === Change Set: timesRepeatFixes-sw Date: 23 June 2007 Author: Scott Wallace
Avoid error when generating code for empty-Times-area case. Avoid error when Times area evaluates to non-integer. Note: The obsolete TimesRepeatMorph also has its code-generating code fixed her e.
=== 2005timesRepeatFixes-sw.cs === Change Set: timesRepeatFixes-sw Date: 28 May 2008 Author: Scott Wallace, Karl Ramberg
TRAC 7044: TimesRepeat tile is not translated.
This update makes the Times, Repeat, and Do labels on Times/Repeat tiles translatable, but it will take a while for actual t ranslations to catch up...
Also fixes a bug that resulted in an unwanted pale green spacer on the Times tile, as well as a bug that resulted in the tem porary positioning of the extension arrow before the 2 on a nascent times tile (rather than after the 2, as expected) ... th anks to Karl for both of those fixes.
- Bert -
Yours
Bob (Robert Hawley) ________________________________________ From: Bert Freudenberg [bert@freudenbergs.de] Sent: 10 July 2008 10:54 To: Robert Hawley Cc: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Making morphs scriptable
Am 10.07.2008 um 07:25 schrieb Robert Hawley:
There is an eToys scriptable DiceMorph and an eToys scriptable CalculatorMorph on SqueakMap. I'd welcome comments or bug reports.
The calculator can be driven entirely from scripts, which makes it quite fun and potentially interesting for schools.
The DiceMorph is a reasonably simple example of how to make a morph scriptable.
I am surprised there aren't more eToys scriptable morphic objects available. Is there a coherent repository that I have yet to discover?
No - the Etoys community is even less organized than the Squeak community in general ;)
Current Etoys discussion takes place at
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoysWe plan to switch to a community-driven development style so now is the perfect time to join the efforts. A public repository for contributions will be one of the first steps.
- Bert -
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