Hi--
After I announced to the Squeak and Spoon lists a few weeks ago that I had ported Flow to Squeak 3.9 as part of my Spoon work, many people have asked whether I have ported Flow to Squeak 3.9. :)
Well, here goes one more time:
I have ported Flow to Squeak 3.9. I did this so that one may speak to a Spoon system from a Squeak 3.9 system, and simulate the Spoon VM (including network support) from a Squeak 3.9 simulator.
http://netjam.org/spoon/releases/current
thanks!
-C
Ok we all missed the announce. did you fix the VM simulator for 3.9?
Stef
On 3 mai 07, at 20:44, Craig Latta wrote:
Hi--
After I announced to the Squeak and Spoon lists a few weeks agothat I had ported Flow to Squeak 3.9 as part of my Spoon work, many people have asked whether I have ported Flow to Squeak 3.9. :)
Well, here goes one more time: I have ported Flow to Squeak 3.9. I did this so that one mayspeak to a Spoon system from a Squeak 3.9 system, and simulate the Spoon VM (including network support) from a Squeak 3.9 simulator.
http://netjam.org/spoon/releases/current thanks!-C
-- Craig Latta improvisational musical informaticist www.netjam.org Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]
On 5/3/07, Craig Latta craig@netjam.org wrote:
I have ported Flow to Squeak 3.9. I did this so that one may speakto a Spoon system from a Squeak 3.9 system, and simulate the Spoon VM (including network support) from a Squeak 3.9 simulator.
http://netjam.org/spoon/releases/current
So if I have a Squeak 3.9 image, and I want to load Flow into it, what do I do?
Avi
Hi Avi--
I have ported Flow to Squeak 3.9. I did this so that one may speak to a Spoon system from a Squeak 3.9 system, and simulate the Spoon VM (including network support) from a Squeak 3.9 simulator.
So if I have a Squeak 3.9 image, and I want to load Flow into it, what do I do?
Before I answer that, I want you to answer the following question honestly:
Did you download the release and read the README?
thanks,
-C
On 5/4/07, Craig Latta craig@netjam.org wrote:
Before I answer that, I want you to answer the following questionhonestly:
Did you download the release and read the README?
No, because I'm currently on dialup and it would tie up my connection for (according to Safari) 30 minutes to do so. I couldn't find any README or release notes on the web site, nor in your postings to this list. The earlier release of Spoon that I do have has no README whatsoever.
However, thanks for letting me know where the information is. Next week when I'm back on broadband I will definitely download the latest Spoon release and find out the answer for myself, so please don't reply on my account, but there may in fact be others on this list who would rather read an email or a webpage than download a few megabytes of data to get the answer.
Cheers, Avi
Avi Bryant wrote:
On 5/4/07, Craig Latta craig@netjam.org wrote:
Before I answer that, I want you to answer the following questionhonestly:
Did you download the release and read the README?No, because I'm currently on dialup and it would tie up my connection for (according to Safari) 30 minutes to do so. I couldn't find any README or release notes on the web site, nor in your postings to this list. The earlier release of Spoon that I do have has no README whatsoever.
This is what the readme says (not much about flow if you ask me...):
Thanks for trying Spoon! To start it, do the following:
* Double-click the "spoon.bat" file. This will start the Spoon processor, which starts a local web server. * Visit that local web server. You'll get a greeting message from Spoon and some links to invoke module commands.
In the "naiad" folder are components for remote browsing and inspecting of the Spoon memory from a Squeak 3.9 system (they probably work with earlier systems as well). To use them, first start the Spoon system as described above. Then start the "naiad" application with the object memory of your choice. Then, file in "naiad.st", and load the "naiad.pr" project. That project has a few expressions for connecting to the Spoon system, and opening a remote system browser. Finally, "spoonProcessorChanges.st" contains changes to the Squeak virtual machine simulator for running the Spoon memory in simulation. If the Spoon system ever goes south when run with the processor application, you can re-run under simulation to see what's going on. For discussion, please join the Spoon mailing list. Thanks again!
Cheers, - Andreas
Hi Andreas--
This is what the readme says (not much about flow if you ask me...):
True, not directly, but I'd assumed readers of squeak-dev would know that Flow was part of the Naiad client support, since I did say that here when I made the release.
I don't make direct mention of Flow in the Spoon release notes because I don't really provide a proper standalone Flow release yet. But I don't see how anyone would expect to communicate with a Spoon system without having Flow support... I thought the deduction, even without reading what I wrote here on squeak-dev, was an easy one.
thanks again,
-C
Hi Avi--
Did you download the release and read the README?
No, because I'm currently on dialup and it would tie up my connection for (according to Safari) 30 minutes to do so.
Aha; thanks, that's good to know. I'll try to include information like this ("what's in the release") on the web page too.
So, as I think I mentioned here on squeak-dev as well, the Flow code is part of the Naiad client support, which is one of two fileouts in the current release (the other is the virtual machine support for the Spoon VM, both building and simulating).
thanks again,
-C
Criag
I'm confused. Do you have new primitives?
Stef
On 4 mai 07, at 10:23, Avi Bryant wrote:
On 5/3/07, Craig Latta craig@netjam.org wrote:
I have ported Flow to Squeak 3.9. I did this so that one mayspeak to a Spoon system from a Squeak 3.9 system, and simulate the Spoon VM (including network support) from a Squeak 3.9 simulator.
http://netjam.org/spoon/releases/currentSo if I have a Squeak 3.9 image, and I want to load Flow into it, what do I do?
Avi
I'm confused. Do you have new primitives?
Yes; they're included in the virtual machine changes, along with the support for running them in the simulator.
-C
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