Hi:
Giovanni Corriga, the GSOC 2007 and 2008 administrator, has asked me to be the administrator for GSOC 2009. My experience with the The Squeak Project GSOC 2008 was excellent and I believe the open source smalltalk community has benefited a lot from his efforts. Thanks Giovanni. Thanks to those who helped him too.
I will be using much of what he has set up. So this is the start of my work: 1) How do I get a username and password to edit the wiki http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak 2) GSOC also needs a backup administrator. Please let me know. 3) What is the best way to get the word out and "meet" centrally?
More later.
All the best, Aik-Siong Koh
Hi
I thought that ken and klaus were doing that already. May be giovanni was not aware of that. May be you should sync with them. Thanks for your help. Klaus and ken asked esug to get an esug representative so I accepted.
Stef
On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:09 PM, askoh wrote:
Hi:
Giovanni Corriga, the GSOC 2007 and 2008 administrator, has asked me to be the administrator for GSOC 2009. My experience with the The Squeak Project GSOC 2008 was excellent and I believe the open source smalltalk community has benefited a lot from his efforts. Thanks Giovanni. Thanks to those who helped him too.
I will be using much of what he has set up. So this is the start of my work:
- How do I get a username and password to edit the wiki
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak 2) GSOC also needs a backup administrator. Please let me know. 3) What is the best way to get the word out and "meet" centrally?
More later.
All the best, Aik-Siong Koh -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Google-Summer-of-Code-2009-tp22108681p22108681.html Sent from the Squeak - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
I'm afraid Stef misunderstood. I never volunteered to be the administrator, I never asked that ESUG take a leading role, in fact I questioned this. At one point I supported Klaus volunteering to be the administrator and said I would be willing to be his backup. He declined and that was the end of the discussion. Like many of us, I just don't have the time this year.
Ken
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 22:34 +0100, stephane ducasse wrote:
Hi
I thought that ken and klaus were doing that already. May be giovanni was not aware of that. May be you should sync with them. Thanks for your help. Klaus and ken asked esug to get an esug representative so I accepted.
Stef
Ok then I misunderstood and I do not want to have a leading role in that story
Stef
On Feb 20, 2009, at 12:00 AM, Ken Causey wrote:
I'm afraid Stef misunderstood. I never volunteered to be the administrator, I never asked that ESUG take a leading role, in fact I questioned this. At one point I supported Klaus volunteering to be the administrator and said I would be willing to be his backup. He declined and that was the end of the discussion. Like many of us, I just don't have the time this year.
Ken
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 22:34 +0100, stephane ducasse wrote:
Hi
I thought that ken and klaus were doing that already. May be giovanni was not aware of that. May be you should sync with them. Thanks for your help. Klaus and ken asked esug to get an esug representative so I accepted.
Stef
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:09:35PM -0800, askoh wrote:
Hi:
Giovanni Corriga, the GSOC 2007 and 2008 administrator, has asked me to be the administrator for GSOC 2009. My experience with the The Squeak Project GSOC 2008 was excellent and I believe the open source smalltalk community has benefited a lot from his efforts. Thanks Giovanni. Thanks to those who helped him too.
I will be using much of what he has set up. So this is the start of my work:
- How do I get a username and password to edit the wiki
username: squeak password: viewpoints
- GSOC also needs a backup administrator. Please let me know.
- What is the best way to get the word out and "meet" centrally?
I revived the invite-only #squeak-gsoc channel on freenode, and made you a full op. To join, do:
register with nickserv if not already /msg chanserv invite #squeak-gsoc /join #squeak-gsoc
We used that channel for meetings last year. If you want to use it, it is there.
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:09:35 +0100, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:
Hi:
Giovanni Corriga, the GSOC 2007 and 2008 administrator, has asked me to be the administrator for GSOC 2009.
I assume you mean by that and by what you write below: you two decided you take over.
Why would the two of you do so in private, behind the back of the community? Also, we have a Leadership/board whose main purpose is to get involved in such cases. [OT*0.5] where is Leadership when it is needed?
My experience with the The Squeak Project GSOC 2008 was excellent and I believe the open source smalltalk community has benefited a lot from his efforts.
Benefited, really? To the best of [available] knowledge, someone took Google's money from 2007 and 2008 and run away. Not _really_ a benefit for the community.
Thanks Giovanni. Thanks to those who helped him too.
I will be using much of what he has set up. So this is the start of my work:
- How do I get a username and password to edit the wiki
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak 2) GSOC also needs a backup administrator. Please let me know.
Stef made himself available for GSoC 2009 administration. Perhaps you be his backup this time?
Then, after all had run well with GSoC 2009, we'd have collected some feedback and can reconsider.
- What is the best way to get the word out and "meet" centrally?
More later.
All the best, Aik-Siong Koh
Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:09:35 +0100, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:
My experience with the The Squeak Project GSOC 2008 was excellent and I believe the open source smalltalk community has benefited a lot from his efforts.
Benefited, really? To the best of [available] knowledge, someone took Google's money from 2007 and 2008 and run away. Not _really_ a benefit for the community.
As far as I know the project Aik-Siong Koh was mentoring is the only one that is currently shipping (in Cobalt). And it is most definitely of great value to its community.
Your question may be worthwhile asking, but Aik-Siong Koh is probably not the person to direct it to. You might want to ask the students who took the money and didn't deliver. Or rather, their mentors. The list of accepted projects and the associated mentors is probably still available somewhere.
BTW, I find this line of questioning completely irrelevant for the position we are talking about which is strictly administrative. Aik-Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the entire process and short of actually running the process that is as much qualification as anyone can ask for.
Cheers, - Andreas
I found the project list again:
http://code.google.com/soc/2008/squeak/about.html
* Safarà: an Extensible Code Editor for Squeak by Luigi Panzeri, mentored by Lukas Renggli * Squeak IRC bot framework by Francois Stephany, mentored by Kenneth Lee Causey * Squeak GTK Support by Gwenaël Casaccio, mentored by Stéphane Ducasse * freeCAD: 3D CAD with Motion Simulation Port to Croquet by Phua Khai Fong, mentored by Aik-Siong Koh * OpenNARS port to Squeak using Seaside by Cédrick Béler, mentored by Klaus D. Witzel
Can I encourage every mentor to send a short status report on the results of their project?
Cheers, - Andreas
Andreas Raab wrote:
Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:09:35 +0100, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:
My experience with the The Squeak Project GSOC 2008 was excellent and I believe the open source smalltalk community has benefited a lot from his efforts.
Benefited, really? To the best of [available] knowledge, someone took Google's money from 2007 and 2008 and run away. Not _really_ a benefit for the community.
As far as I know the project Aik-Siong Koh was mentoring is the only one that is currently shipping (in Cobalt). And it is most definitely of great value to its community.
Your question may be worthwhile asking, but Aik-Siong Koh is probably not the person to direct it to. You might want to ask the students who took the money and didn't deliver. Or rather, their mentors. The list of accepted projects and the associated mentors is probably still available somewhere.
BTW, I find this line of questioning completely irrelevant for the position we are talking about which is strictly administrative. Aik-Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the entire process and short of actually running the process that is as much qualification as anyone can ask for.
Cheers,
- Andreas
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:32:58 +0100, Andreas Raab wrote:
I found the project list again:
...
- OpenNARS port to Squeak using Seaside by Cédrick Béler, mentored by Klaus D. Witzel
Can I encourage every mentor to send a short status report on the results of their project?
Sure, good idea. The result of the port (a Seaside app) is up'n running here:
- http://nars.seasidehosting.st
Final statetements and possible future directions posted here:
- http://groups.google.com/group/open-nars/browse_thread/thread/744a3f84028cb6...
Original site (input to the port) is here:
- http://code.google.com/p/open-nars/
BTW, will ask the NARS guys to update their hyperlink to the Squeak port.
Cheers,
- Andreas
...
I have nothing particularly constructive to say, other than I find the whole NARS and OpenNARS project fascinating. It looks like a lot of thought has gone into the approach vs. other non-monotonic architectures. I'm curious how computationally tractable it will all be in practice, but I'll slink away now and read some of Pei Wang's papers...
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:05:25 +0100, Ryan Mitchley wrote:
I have nothing particularly constructive to say, other than I find the whole NARS and OpenNARS project fascinating. It looks like a lot of thought has gone into the approach vs. other non-monotonic architectures.
:) I once was his critique (invisible between the great ones of course ;) reviewed his book, until I stepped back from the "negation and contradiction is necessary" doctrine.
Nowadays I perform semantic resolution on natural language sentences, impossible without Pei Wang's view on things.
I'm curious how computationally tractable it will all be in practice,
Hehe ;)
but I'll slink away now and read some of Pei Wang's papers...
Andreas Raab andreas.raab@gmx.de writes:
I found the project list again:
http://code.google.com/soc/2008/squeak/about.html
- Safarà: an Extensible Code Editor for Squeak by Luigi Panzeri, mentored by Lukas Renggli
Hm, isn't this the status: http://blog.summer.squeak.org/2008/10/safara-project-results-personal.html
Regards Friedrich
Yes and GTK is available
On Feb 20, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Andreas Raab wrote:
I found the project list again:
http://code.google.com/soc/2008/squeak/about.html
- Safarà: an Extensible Code Editor for Squeak
by Luigi Panzeri, mentored by Lukas Renggli
- Squeak IRC bot framework
by Francois Stephany, mentored by Kenneth Lee Causey
- Squeak GTK Support
by Gwenaël Casaccio, mentored by Stéphane Ducasse
- freeCAD: 3D CAD with Motion Simulation Port to Croquet
by Phua Khai Fong, mentored by Aik-Siong Koh
- OpenNARS port to Squeak using Seaside
by Cédrick Béler, mentored by Klaus D. Witzel
Can I encourage every mentor to send a short status report on the results of their project?
google GTK Squeak
Cheers,
- Andreas
Andreas Raab wrote:
Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:09:35 +0100, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:
My experience with the The Squeak Project GSOC 2008 was excellent and I believe the open source smalltalk community has benefited a lot from his efforts.
Benefited, really? To the best of [available] knowledge, someone took Google's money from 2007 and 2008 and run away. Not _really_ a benefit for the community.
As far as I know the project Aik-Siong Koh was mentoring is the only one that is currently shipping (in Cobalt). And it is most definitely of great value to its community. Your question may be worthwhile asking, but Aik-Siong Koh is probably not the person to direct it to. You might want to ask the students who took the money and didn't deliver. Or rather, their mentors. The list of accepted projects and the associated mentors is probably still available somewhere. BTW, I find this line of questioning completely irrelevant for the position we are talking about which is strictly administrative. Aik- Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the entire process and short of actually running the process that is as much qualification as anyone can ask for. Cheers,
- Andreas
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 23:32 -0800, Andreas Raab wrote:
I found the project list again:
http://code.google.com/soc/2008/squeak/about.html
- Squeak IRC bot framework by Francois Stephany, mentored by Kenneth Lee Causey
Francois made a lot of progress with this project but more time ended up being spent in infrastucture than anticipated. As a result I think IRCBot
http://www.squeaksoure.com/IRCBot.html (feel free to ask for dev rights)
is well positioned for growth. It works, it is certainly able to connect to multiple channels and I believe multiple servers and has a modular utility framework. A couple of modules were started and can serve well as examples but are a little rough and need completion and polishing. Also there was no time for the grandiose list of services we envisioned.
Improving it is on my own todo list, but so far down that hope is not strong.
Ken
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:08:17 +0100, Andreas Raab wrote:
Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:09:35 +0100, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:
My experience with the The Squeak Project GSOC 2008 was excellent and I believe the open source smalltalk community has benefited a lot from his efforts.
Benefited, really? To the best of [available] knowledge, someone took Google's money from 2007 and 2008 and run away. Not _really_ a benefit for the community.
As far as I know the project Aik-Siong Koh was mentoring is the only one that is currently shipping (in Cobalt). And it is most definitely of great value to its community.
Nothing against Cobalt (which promises great value) but this your statement is about the future, which remains to be seen Mr. Politician ;) BTW I'm planning to use it for a great event in autumn this year.
Your question may be worthwhile asking, but Aik-Siong Koh is probably not the person to direct it to. You might want to ask the students who took the money and didn't deliver.
Just for the records, a small piece for the uninformed: every mentor had his say whether or not any of the student delivered or not. AFAIK every student delivered.
Or rather, their mentors. The list of accepted projects and the associated mentors is probably still available somewhere.
BTW, I find this line of questioning completely irrelevant for the position we are talking about which is strictly administrative.
Not that I believe that, Andreas ;) but you're of course free to object to/any person you [dis-] like ;)
Aik-Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the entire process and short of actually running the process that is as much qualification as anyone can ask for.
Sure, same for the other mentors.
Cheers,
- Andreas
Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:08:17 +0100, Andreas Raab wrote:
Your question may be worthwhile asking, but Aik-Siong Koh is probably not the person to direct it to. You might want to ask the students who took the money and didn't deliver.
Just for the records, a small piece for the uninformed: every mentor had his say whether or not any of the student delivered or not. AFAIK every student delivered.
Then I really don't understand what your criticism is aiming at. Your comment read like disappointment about the results but in Aik-Siong Koh's case I know that not only was the project delivered, it is actually being shipped in the current Cobalt builds.
BTW, I find this line of questioning completely irrelevant for the position we are talking about which is strictly administrative.
Not that I believe that, Andreas ;) but you're of course free to object to/any person you [dis-] like ;)
I am not objecting to any person. I am supporting Aik-Siong Koh. If the board decides to support someone else, fine. But I think Aik-Siong Koh can fill the job and having more people involved in running the community affairs might be a good thing.
Aik-Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the entire process and short of actually running the process that is as much qualification as anyone can ask for.
Sure, same for the other mentors.
Certainly. If we have multiple contenders for the position the board should choose. I have no problem with that. However ... none of this is a reason to accuse people that they've been "taking the money and run".
Cheers, - Andreas
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:18:23 +0100, Andreas Raab wrote:
Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:08:17 +0100, Andreas Raab wrote:
Your question may be worthwhile asking, but Aik-Siong Koh is probably not the person to direct it to. You might want to ask the students who took the money and didn't deliver.
Just for the records, a small piece for the uninformed: every mentor had his say whether or not any of the student delivered or not. AFAIK every student delivered.
Then I really don't understand what your criticism is aiming at.
Oh. it was about someone (the former admin) and the private/secret hand over.
Your comment read like disappointment about the results but in Aik-Siong Koh's case I know that not only was the project delivered, it is actually being shipped in the current Cobalt builds.
I'm sorry, "results" was brought into the thread by you. I leave it there.
BTW, I find this line of questioning completely irrelevant for the position we are talking about which is strictly administrative.
Not that I believe that, Andreas ;) but you're of course free to object to/any person you [dis-] like ;)
I am not objecting to any person. I am supporting Aik-Siong Koh. If the board decides to support someone else, fine. But I think Aik-Siong Koh can fill the job and having more people involved in running the community affairs might be a good thing.
Again, nothing against that from me.
Aik-Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the entire process and short of actually running the process that is as much qualification as anyone can ask for.
Sure, same for the other mentors.
Certainly. If we have multiple contenders for the position the board should choose.
Board, speak up!
I have no problem with that. However ... none of this is a reason to accuse people that they've been "taking the money and run".
This couldn't have be meant about Aik-Siong Koh, who (how come we know this all) was *not* in charge in 2007 and 2008.
But now that you write that I checked the emails sent by/exchanged with Ellen Ko koe@google.com two weeks ago, about the mess with payment and found that you wheren't cc'ed (but the other mentors where). It looks like none of you co-mentors where cc'ed.
Cheers,
- Andreas
Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:18:23 +0100, Andreas Raab wrote:
Then I really don't understand what your criticism is aiming at.
Oh. it was about someone (the former admin) and the private/secret hand over.
I see. I wouldn't call it a secret hand-over. I think it's fair for the former admin to ping interested parties offline to avoid to be publicly humiliated by people saying no when being asked. It may be a bit premature by Aik-Siong Koh to assume that this all the legitimation needed but I don't think there's any reason to assume a conspiracy here ;-)
Aik-Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the entire process and short of actually running the process that is as much qualification as anyone can ask for.
Sure, same for the other mentors.
Certainly. If we have multiple contenders for the position the board should choose.
Board, speak up!
Indeed. But we have to help the board. Let's compile a list of contenders: So far we have Aik-Siong Koh and Stefane Ducasse. Any others?
If not, I think it'd be worthwhile to have them run the project as a team. And unless Stef is dying for being the front man I'd vote for giving Aik-Siong Koh a chance since we'd spread the load and have a backup plan if something goes wrong.
But now that you write that I checked the emails sent by/exchanged with Ellen Ko koe@google.com two weeks ago, about the mess with payment and found that you wheren't cc'ed (but the other mentors where). It looks like none of you co-mentors where cc'ed.
I have not heard anything about it.
Cheers, - andreas
On 20.02.2009, at 10:05, Andreas Raab wrote:
Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:18:23 +0100, Andreas Raab wrote:
Aik-Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the entire process and short of actually running the process that is as much qualification as anyone can ask for.
Sure, same for the other mentors.
Certainly. If we have multiple contenders for the position the board should choose.
Board, speak up!
Indeed. But we have to help the board. Let's compile a list of contenders: So far we have Aik-Siong Koh and Stefane Ducasse. Any others?
As far as I am aware there are no others besides Aik-Siong Koh. Stef wrote "If ken and klaus are primary support I can help them. But they should keep my load light because I'm full of admin". But Ken wrote "I never volunteered", and I can't find a reference of Klaus offering support, so this seems to be a misunderstanding.
Klaus, are you volunteering too?
- Bert -
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:57:56 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 20.02.2009, at 10:05, Andreas Raab wrote:
Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:18:23 +0100, Andreas Raab wrote:
Aik-Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the entire process and short of actually running the process that is as much qualification as anyone can ask for.
Sure, same for the other mentors.
Certainly. If we have multiple contenders for the position the board should choose.
Board, speak up!
Indeed. But we have to help the board. Let's compile a list of contenders: So far we have Aik-Siong Koh and Stefane Ducasse. Any others?
As far as I am aware there are no others besides Aik-Siong Koh. Stef wrote "If ken and klaus are primary support I can help them. But they should keep my load light because I'm full of admin". But Ken wrote "I never volunteered", and I can't find a reference of Klaus offering support, so this seems to be a misunderstanding.
Klaus, are you volunteering too?
As discussed with Ken earlier and as he posted here in squeak-dev already: No. Instead, I offer behind-the-scene help to+work for the new GSoC admin team.
/Klaus
- Bert -
On 20.02.2009, at 11:07, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:57:56 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 20.02.2009, at 10:05, Andreas Raab wrote:
Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:18:23 +0100, Andreas Raab wrote:
> Aik-Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the > entire process and short of actually running the process that > is as much qualification as anyone can ask for. Sure, same for the other mentors.
Certainly. If we have multiple contenders for the position the board should choose.
Board, speak up!
Indeed. But we have to help the board. Let's compile a list of contenders: So far we have Aik-Siong Koh and Stefane Ducasse. Any others?
As far as I am aware there are no others besides Aik-Siong Koh. Stef wrote "If ken and klaus are primary support I can help them. But they should keep my load light because I'm full of admin". But Ken wrote "I never volunteered", and I can't find a reference of Klaus offering support, so this seems to be a misunderstanding.
Klaus, are you volunteering too?
As discussed with Ken earlier and as he posted here in squeak-dev already: No. Instead, I offer behind-the-scene help to+work for the new GSoC admin team.
/Klaus
So all is well after all. Great :)
- Bert -
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 20.02.2009, at 11:07, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
As discussed with Ken earlier and as he posted here in squeak-dev already: No. Instead, I offer behind-the-scene help to+work for the new GSoC admin team.
/Klaus
So all is well after all. Great :)
- Bert -
Thanks for resolving the issue.
Cheers, - Andreas
Hi all
below are the mails I exchanged. I was confused (sorry ken probably my english) after because I thought klaus and ken would take the lead. Now if a fuse is needed I can be this one and GSOC is important for our community but if one person is against, I simply drop and do not want to do anything with it.
Stef
last email ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ stephane.ducasse@univ-savoie.fr Subject: Re: Wanted: Google Summer of Code 2009 admin
Date: February 10, 2009 9:49:09 AM CEST
To: klaus.witzel@cobss.ch Cc: denker@iam.unibe.ch, esug-info@esug.org, ken@kencausey.com, renggli@gmail.com , klcausey@gmail.com
Let us know, but I'm organising ESUG + a workshop + SummerTalk arghhhhhhh but the google effort is important
The problem is that we are rather full two main conferences to organise and lot more around pharo.
:(
Ken? you+me could help the new admin with the workload+timeline?
Stef
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- stephane.ducasse@univ-savoie.fr Subject: Re: Wanted: Google Summer of Code 2009 admin
Date: February 10, 2009 9:49:09 AM CEST
To: klaus.witzel@cobss.ch Cc: denker@iam.unibe.ch, esug-info@esug.org, ken@kencausey.com, renggli@gmail.com , klcausey@gmail.com
The problem is that we are rather full two main conferences to organise and lot more around pharo.
Stef On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
Hi guys,
would it be possible for a member of ESUG board to take this role?
My motivation for this is rather trustworthness and professionalism, you know what I mean.
Thank you in advance (!)
Cheers, Klaus
P.S. why would Giovanni hand over privately without involving democratic/community processes?
---- Forwarded Usenet-message ---- From: "Giovanni Corriga" giovanni@corriga.net Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general Subject: Wanted: Google Summer of Code 2009 admin Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:28:29 +0100 URL: news://4990CA2D.2080900@corriga.net
Hi all,
due to a higher workload, this year I won't be able to act as an admin on behalf of Squeak in the Google Summer of Code program.
Is there anyone interested in taking over?
Responsibilities of the admin include:
- submitting the application for the mentoring organization
- coordinating the mentors
- managing the student applications
- keeping track of the mentors and students during the various
phases of the program
- keeping in touch with the program admins at Google
If anyone is interested, please contact me in private.
Giovanni
The code of gwenael is in the Refactoring engine so he delivered, he is still working and improving it. The one of Mathieu is in the newcompiler so he delivered.
On Feb 20, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Andreas Raab wrote:
Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:09:35 +0100, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:
My experience with the The Squeak Project GSOC 2008 was excellent and I believe the open source smalltalk community has benefited a lot from his efforts.
Benefited, really? To the best of [available] knowledge, someone took Google's money from 2007 and 2008 and run away. Not _really_ a benefit for the community.
As far as I know the project Aik-Siong Koh was mentoring is the only one that is currently shipping (in Cobalt). And it is most definitely of great value to its community.
Your question may be worthwhile asking, but Aik-Siong Koh is probably not the person to direct it to. You might want to ask the students who took the money and didn't deliver. Or rather, their mentors. The list of accepted projects and the associated mentors is probably still available somewhere.
BTW, I find this line of questioning completely irrelevant for the position we are talking about which is strictly administrative. Aik- Siong Koh has been a mentor last year, involved in the entire process and short of actually running the process that is as much qualification as anyone can ask for.
Cheers,
- Andreas
On 20.02.2009, at 05:52, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:09:35 +0100, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:
Hi:
Giovanni Corriga, the GSOC 2007 and 2008 administrator, has asked me to be the administrator for GSOC 2009.
I assume you mean by that and by what you write below: you two decided you take over.
Why would the two of you do so in private, behind the back of the community? Also, we have a Leadership/board whose main purpose is to get involved in such cases. [OT*0.5] where is Leadership when it is needed?
Are you aware that Giovanni is, in fact, a board member? And we did talk about this, not sure why that point got left out of the meeting notes.
- Bert -
Hi Klaus--
Aik-Siong wrote:
Giovanni Corriga, the GSOC 2007 and 2008 administrator, has asked me to be the administrator for GSOC 2009.
You responded:
I assume you mean by that and by what you write below: you two decided you take over.
Why would the two of you do so in private, behind the back of the community? Also, we have a Leadership/board whose main purpose is to get involved in such cases. [OT*0.5] where is Leadership when it is needed?
Giovanni asked for volunteers in public, asking them to respond privately[1]. Aik-Siong responded to Giovanni privately. Giovanni, during the 2009-02-19 leadership team meeting, suggested that Aik-Siong be the next GSOC administrator. We approved. I missed that point in the notes for that meeting. Please accept my apologies.
-C
[1] http://tinyurl.com/c3otcc (lists.squeakfoundation.org)
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 04:21:10 +0100, Craig Latta craig@netjam.org wrote:
Hi Klaus--
Aik-Siong wrote:Giovanni Corriga, the GSOC 2007 and 2008 administrator, has asked me to be the administrator for GSOC 2009.
You responded:I assume you mean by that and by what you write below: you two decided you take over.
Why would the two of you do so in private, behind the back of the community? Also, we have a Leadership/board whose main purpose is to get involved in such cases. [OT*0.5] where is Leadership when it is needed?
Giovanni asked for volunteers in public, asking them to respondprivately[1]. Aik-Siong responded to Giovanni privately. Giovanni, during the 2009-02-19 leadership team meeting, suggested that Aik-Siong be the next GSOC administrator. We approved. I missed that point in the notes for that meeting. Please accept my apologies.
Things happen. Thanks for the message Craig.
/Klaus
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[1] http://tinyurl.com/c3otcc (lists.squeakfoundation.org)
-- Craig Latta www.netjam.org next show: 2009-03-13 (www.thishere.org)
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:09:35PM -0800, askoh wrote:
- GSOC also needs a backup administrator. Please let me know.
Since nobody else is volunteering, I'll volunteer for that. I was a co-mentor last year, and managed the irc infrastructure for the project.
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 18:53 -0500, Matthew Fulmer wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:09:35PM -0800, askoh wrote:
- GSOC also needs a backup administrator. Please let me know.
Since nobody else is volunteering, I'll volunteer for that. I was a co-mentor last year, and managed the irc infrastructure for the project.
I support Matthew in this and although I don't feel I have the time to be much more than a backup mentor at most this year, I am willing to backup Matthew and provide any guidance I can from my experience as a backup administrator last year.
Ken
As I said I can help but will not be the leading force. Giovanni made a good job in the past. On Feb 21, 2009, at 1:02 AM, Ken Causey wrote:
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 18:53 -0500, Matthew Fulmer wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:09:35PM -0800, askoh wrote:
- GSOC also needs a backup administrator. Please let me know.
Since nobody else is volunteering, I'll volunteer for that. I was a co-mentor last year, and managed the irc infrastructure for the project.
I support Matthew in this and although I don't feel I have the time to be much more than a backup mentor at most this year, I am willing to backup Matthew and provide any guidance I can from my experience as a backup administrator last year.
Ken
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