Using the 'normal' scoller look (no offense intended but the new one with rounded ends looks really awful) it is possible to get the scroller sausage to overlay the top scroll arrow, but not the bottom one.
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Tim Rowledge wrote:
Using the 'normal' scoller look (no offense intended but the new one with rounded ends looks really awful) it is possible to get the scroller sausage to overlay the top scroll arrow, but not the bottom one.
I wouldn't consider this too serious a bug, as it only seems to happen if you open a window with one scrollbar look, then change the look preference, and then continue using the old window. Normally people won't be switching their preferences back and forth that often...
By the way, if you don't like the scroller sausage look, but you'd like the scrollbar color to match the window color better, there is the enhancement I posted last week which replaces the old gray&blue scrollbar: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/squeak/message/38585 . I was tempted to push for this changeset to be included in 3.2, but it is really an enhancement and I suppose it should probably wait until 3.3alpha.
- Doug Way dway@riskmetrics.com
Doug Way wrote:
Tim Rowledge wrote:
Using the 'normal' scoller look (no offense intended but the new one with rounded ends looks really awful) it is possible to get the scroller sausage to overlay the top scroll arrow, but not the bottom one.
I wouldn't consider this too serious a bug, as it only seems to happen if you open a window with one scrollbar look, then change the look preference, and then continue using the old window. Normally people won't be switching their preferences back and forth that often...
No, they won't, but it's potentially a very irritating problem with respect to loading in projects created by people with other preferences, isn't it? It's also a shame that 3.2gamma's top project, providing as it does people's first impression of the system, includes windows in two different styles, guaranteeing that at least one of them looks awkward. Furthermore, their scrollbars don't match the default alternativeScrollbarLook preference, which means their scrollbars end up looping really funky if their panes are resized.
Ideally, it would be nice if existing windows could be modified when the prefrerences were changed, but that's probably too difficult in practice. Wouldn't it at least be better if windows would honor the preferences with which they were created, rather than acting as awkward-looking hybrids?
-Jesse
Jesse Welton wrote:
Doug Way wrote:
Tim Rowledge wrote:
Using the 'normal' scoller look (no offense intended but the new one with rounded ends looks really awful) it is possible to get the scroller sausage to overlay the top scroll arrow, but not the bottom one.
I wouldn't consider this too serious a bug, as it only seems to happen if you open a window with one scrollbar look, then change the look preference, and then continue using the old window. Normally people won't be switching their preferences back and forth that often...
No, they won't, but it's potentially a very irritating problem with respect to loading in projects created by people with other preferences, isn't it? It's also a shame that 3.2gamma's top project, providing as it does people's first impression of the system, includes windows in two different styles, guaranteeing that at least one of them looks awkward. Furthermore, their scrollbars don't match the default alternativeScrollbarLook preference, which means their scrollbars end up looping really funky if their panes are resized.
After I posted my message, I did notice that the windows in the top project of a 3.2gamma image have this problem. So yes, it would be nice to at least re-build these windows for the 3.2 release image, so people don't see broken scrollbars when using Squeak for the first time.
Ideally, it would be nice if existing windows could be modified when the prefrerences were changed, but that's probably too difficult in practice. Wouldn't it at least be better if windows would honor the preferences with which they were created, rather than acting as awkward-looking hybrids?
I guess that wouldn't be too hard... the ScrollPane or ScrollBar could remember (with an instvar) which type of look it was created with and draw itself based on that, rather than checking the preference when drawing.
- Doug Way dway@riskmetrics.com
Doug Way wrote:
Ideally, it would be nice if existing windows could be modified when the prefrerences were changed, but that's probably too difficult in practice. Wouldn't it at least be better if windows would honor the preferences with which they were created, rather than acting as awkward-looking hybrids?
I guess that wouldn't be too hard... the ScrollPane or ScrollBar could remember (with an instvar) which type of look it was created with and draw itself based on that, rather than checking the preference when drawing.
Likewise, SystemWindows could remember the relevant value of the alternativeWindowLook preference. (This is most noticeable in the borders of non-alternative windows when in alternative look mode, but both kinds of windows have funny-looking title areas in the wrong mode.) It looks like they already keep track of their scrollbars' left/right orientation and flop-out behavior.
-Jesse
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