From: Bert Freudenberg Wouldn't the proper way of handling this the [be] board gathering consensus and [...]
It's a little difficult to tell, as the board *still* has no published way of working, there is (to my knowledge) no formal constitution of the Squeak Foundation despite it handling donations, and there appears not even to be any way of agreeing on what the board has done in order to present it at intervals to the wider community (witness Stef's and Craig's recent emails).
If I'm wrong on any of these, I'd love to know; but it appears that the new board is no more functional than the last when it comes to communication.
- Peter
On 25.04.2006, at 08:46, Peter Crowther wrote:
From: Bert Freudenberg Wouldn't the proper way of handling this the [be] board gathering consensus and [...]
It's a little difficult to tell, as the board *still* has no published way of working, there is (to my knowledge) no formal constitution of the Squeak Foundation despite it handling donations, and there appears not even to be any way of agreeing on what the board has done in order to present it at intervals to the wider community (witness Stef's and Craig's recent emails).
If I'm wrong on any of these, I'd love to know; but it appears that the new board is no more functional than the last when it comes to communication.
Yes, I personally (not speaking for the board) think we have a long way to go to make it better... the problem is that (at least me personally) start to just not have enough time and energy to get everything done just now...
I know this is bad, but I don't know how to fix it.
As for communication, I volunteered to write a short report, it should have been done over the weekend, but it didn't. Sorry.
The main problem is that all this takes a huge huge amount of time and energy... and there is a dayjob, and doing something else for fun sometime is important, too.
Marcus
Hi Peter--
It's a little difficult to tell, as the board *still* has no published way of working...
So far we have discussed open issues on the (private) board mailing list. We have informally drafted Tim to be the spokesperson, but, as one can see from this message, at various times different members have communicated with squeak-dev. We like the idea of having a timeout on the discussions, so that things actually keep moving.
I personally have tried to keep open issues from languishing. For example, when there was a vacuum surrounding who would take over liaison roles between teams and the board, I just volunteered for all of the open slots in order to keep things moving (deferring to anyone else who wanted them).
I have a relatively large amount of time and energy I can devote to the Board, by the way.
...there is (to my knowledge) no formal constitution of the Squeak Foundation despite it handling donations...
Good point, and we are discussing that.
...and there appears not even to be any way of agreeing on what the board has done in order to present it at intervals to the wider community (witness Stef's and Craig's recent emails).
I think there actually is a consensus on how to do that, but (no offense, Stef), Stef seems to be a bit trigger-happy.
If I'm wrong on any of these, I'd love to know; but it appears that the new board is no more functional than the last when it comes to communication.
Yes, I think you are wrong. :)
thanks,
-C
I think there actually is a consensus on how to do that, but (no offense, Stef), Stef seems to be a bit trigger-happy.
I have some free slots for doing some stuff and after they vanish. So indeed I'm pushing fast and far (certainly too). I think that from a board point of view, I should remove some weights on the shoulders of marcus. the first steps are to spread the knowledge as we started to discuss it.
Stef
"Formal constitution?" It's been 3+ years and a quarter-trillion dollars+ in Iraq and still no formal constitution.
This whining is almost unbearable. They just formed man, they're spread all over the world and, to top it off, they're a busy bunch of people with regular jobs, big-time Squeak projects AND, now, this new board responsibility.
How about cutting 'em a little slack time to get organized before using such harsh words, huh?
--- Peter Crowther Peter@ozzard.org wrote:
From: Bert Freudenberg Wouldn't the proper way of handling this the [be] board gathering consensus and [...]
It's a little difficult to tell, as the board *still* has no published way of working, there is (to my knowledge) no formal constitution of the Squeak Foundation despite it handling donations, and there appears not even to be any way of agreeing on what the board has done in order to present it at intervals to the wider community (witness Stef's and Craig's recent emails).
If I'm wrong on any of these, I'd love to know; but it appears that the new board is no more functional than the last when it comes to communication.
- Peter
Hi members, (and please take no offense)
I was browsing around Wikipedia and accidentally found the strange expression of "Parkinson's bicycle shed effect". Didn't know what it means, so I looked for it. Check it out, may be relevant.
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#bikeshed
Attis
Highly relevant indeed, thank you. I think the best we can do about this is simply to be aware that the tendency exists and try to monitor ourselves for it.
Ken
On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 23:47 +0200, Nagy Attila wrote:
Hi members, (and please take no offense)
I was browsing around Wikipedia and accidentally found the strange expression of "Parkinson's bicycle shed effect". Didn't know what it means, so I looked for it. Check it out, may be relevant.
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#bikeshed
Attis
That's pretty funny!!
Ron
-----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Nagy Attila Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:48 PM To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: Board communication (was RE: Looking for good souls)
Hi members, (and please take no offense)
I was browsing around Wikipedia and accidentally found the strange expression of "Parkinson's bicycle shed effect". Didn't know what it means, so I looked for it. Check it out, may be relevant.
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#bikeshed
Attis
Aha! That's why the Subversion developers were always talking about bikesheds on the developer list... :)
Julian
Nagy Attila wrote:
Hi members, (and please take no offense)
I was browsing around Wikipedia and accidentally found the strange expression of "Parkinson's bicycle shed effect". Didn't know what it means, so I looked for it. Check it out, may be relevant.
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#bikeshed
Attis
"Nagy Attila" attis@gizi.dote.hu wrote:
Hi members, (and please take no offense)
I was browsing around Wikipedia and accidentally found the strange expression of "Parkinson's bicycle shed effect". Didn't know what it means, so I looked for it. Check it out, may be relevant.
The FreeBSD crowd made a t-shirt: "FreeBSD 4:10: Thou shalt not commit bikesheds".
It's a nice shirt: http://www.bsdmall.com/fourten.html
frank
Absolutely true :-)
Elod
Hi members, (and please take no offense)
I was browsing around Wikipedia and accidentally found the strange expression of "Parkinson's bicycle shed effect". Didn't know what it means, so I looked for it. Check it out, may be relevant.
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#bikeshed
Attis
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