AFAIK, it shouldn't be necessary to move the minnow swiki from the machine it is on to make it reply to swiki.squeak.org.
swiki.squeak.org already appears to point to the squeak.org machine at 207.71.8.55. All that is really required is to use apache rewrite rules to map swiki.squeak.org/* -> minnow.gatech.edu/squeak/*.
All this should require is the editing of the apache.conf file and a 'apachectrl graceful' to restart.
:) Russell
Simon Michael simon@joyful.com wrote:
(webmaster@squeak.org bounced, and I think it's no harm to cc this on the squeak list)
Earlier today, I wrote:
Dear squeak swiki & squeak.org webmasters,
the squeak wiki has done long service at minnow.cc.gatech.edu. I think there is some consensus that the time has now come to locate it within the squeak.org domain, eg as swiki.squeak.org. See my comments below for a little context.
Do you agree, are you available to help, any ideas on how to make this happen ? We don't know if it requires a physical move or can be done virtually.
Thanks, -Simon
PS the squeak foundation list archives are at http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeakfoundation
"Joshua 'Schwa' Gargus" schwa@cc.gatech.edu writes:
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 07:27:15PM -0700, Simon Michael wrote:
Andreas - yes. Just a little more prevarication from me: ok, where can I help plant this stake in the ground.. which leads us back to..
..the squeak wiki. IMHO this is the optimal place for constructing these lists, because (a) they probably partially exist there already and (b) ease of linking to more detail. Two problems -
- <poke, prod> with no disrespect intended, the current admin(s) are
not delivering uptime. 9 outages so far this month, including some of more than a day (according to http://uptime.arsdigita.com/uptime/reports.tcl?monitor_id=119512 ). I know "there'll be a server upgrade next week". But in any case,
Don't worry. There'll be a server upgrade next week ;-)
Them's the breaks with running a research lab within a large bureaucratic organization; we can't order the machines directly to us. This isn't something that urgently needs to be solved immediately, and it isn't something that we can speed up. Just hang tight for a little bit.
- the wiki is at some strange url, neither squeak.org,
squeakfoundation.org, nor squeakland.org. This dilutes squeak's web presence.
I think that this is a very good point. What the heck is minnow.cc.gatech.edu anyway? However, this is a historical accident as a result of the fact that the Squeak Swiki started off as an experiment back in the (relative) infancy of Swiki. If you think that it is important enough to address immediately, the author and current maintainer is Je77 Rick. You can contact him at nadja@cc.gatech.edu; I'm sure he'll be glad to talk to you about the possibility of moving the Swiki out of .gatech.edu.
Tell him Schwa sent you ;-)
True, this doesn't actually prevent me from building Andreas' lists but I only have 15 minutes and I'd like to see it solved. I'd prefer a single, stable, canonical community wiki. I'm tempted to propose doing the simplest thing that could possibly work: mirror it on squeakfoundation.org and forget minnow.
Minnow admin(s) are you on this list ? Comments anyone ?
Oops, didn't read this far. AFAIK, I'm the only GaTech Squeaker on this list. But Je77's contact information is above.
Joshua
Best regards - Simon
Simon Michael simon@joyful.com writes:
Paul Fernhout pdfernhout@kurtz-fernhout.com writes:
With the exception of the mini-faq, one question to think about is why haven't these consolidation and organization projects happened already?
Excellent question. I can speak for myself:
There are also several Wikis where this sort of effort could be happening
you've hit the nail on the head :).
In other words: each time I've entered the squeak community (maybe three times over the last 3-4 years) I (a) came to the conclusion the sorts of things you describe are where I can best help and (b) looked at the web presence and fora for documentation and got scared away by the feeling of shifting sands and multiplicity. No-one wants to spend time on documentation that may or may found.
You can make a case that I allowed myself to be scared off from hard work too easily.. but my point is that this has probably happened with plenty of other potential contributors. We want the threshold for contribution to approach zero. Hence my last post.
-Simon
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Russell Allen russell.allen@firebirdmedia.com writes:
All this should require is the editing of the apache.conf file and a 'apachectrl graceful' to restart.
Hi Russell,
who has access to do this ?
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Russell Allen wrote:
AFAIK, it shouldn't be necessary to move the minnow swiki from the machine it is on to make it reply to swiki.squeak.org.
Correct.
swiki.squeak.org already appears to point to the squeak.org machine at 207.71.8.55.
So we just need to change that DNS entry to point to 130.207.118.114 (minnow's IP).
All that is really required is to use apache rewrite rules to map swiki.squeak.org/* -> minnow.gatech.edu/squeak/*.
All this should require is the editing of the apache.conf file and a 'apachectrl graceful' to restart.
If you do this, not only every Swiki access would be slowed down (because it's tunneled through squeak.org's Apache) but also the IP of a page editor couldn't be recorded anymore, as all requests would seem to come from squeak.org.
Making swiki.squeak.org pointing to the physical IP address of the swiki machine is the the only real solution.
-- Bert
Bert Freudenberg bert@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de writes:
swiki.squeak.org already appears to point to the squeak.org machine at 207.71.8.55.
So we just need to change that DNS entry to point to 130.207.118.114 (minnow's IP).
It looks like this is the simplest thing that could possibly work, assuming that minnow becomes reliable.
Someone suggested leaving the /squeak/ path visible - I think this would be a mistake, that usability of the main squeak wiki should be the utmost priority here.
squeak.org, I know. swiki.squeak.org, I can remember. swiki.squeak.org/squeak, I will forget and have to think about.
Who could make the above dns change ?
Regards, -Simon
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