From squeak-dev-admin@lists.squeakfoundation.org Fri Aug 3 17:15:56 2001 Delivered-To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org From: John Hinsley jhinsley@telinco.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: Microsoft removes Netscape support from IE; plug-in needsre- writing. References: F77d6QR7j1HaKtKufVm0000cf98@hotmail.com 4.3.2.7.2.20010802210709.03d46ef0@mailhost.pmatrix.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: squeak-dev-admin@lists.squeakfoundation.org Errors-To: squeak-dev-admin@lists.squeakfoundation.org X-BeenThere: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org List-Help: mailto:squeak-dev-request@lists.squeakfoundation.org?subject=help List-Post: mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org List-Subscribe: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeak-dev, mailto:squeak-dev-request@lists.squeakfoundation.org?subject=subscribe List-Id: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev.lists.squeakfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeak-dev, mailto:squeak-dev-request@lists.squeakfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 05:59:03 +0100 But look at who the results come from: "Top 10 Browser Types Visiting Internet.com" and who are Internet.com when they're at home?
http://www.internet.com doesn't really make that clear, does it?
I'd be much more interested in results from Google, now.
They would be equally worthless, and I mean WORTHLESS. No site KNOWS what browsers access it, only what identification string the browsers send them. At least one of the browsers I use can be asked with a couple of mouse clicks to announce itself as any of several other browsers. (I haven't bothered looking to see if the others can. Hang on, I _know_ two of the others can be so configured with a wee bit of code.)
They would be equally worthless, and I mean WORTHLESS. No site KNOWS what browsers access it, only what identification string the browsers send them. At least one of the browsers I use can be asked with a couple of mouse clicks to announce itself as any of several other browsers. (I haven't bothered looking to see if the others can. Hang on, I _know_ two of the others can be so configured with a wee bit of code.)
You're absolutely right, of course. Taking into account the number of people who change their browser's identification string, I have revised my IE share number from 90.7% to 90.69999994%.
Thanks!
-- Duane
I believe that by default Opera 5 identifies itself as IE.
At 12:13 AM 8/3/2001 -0700, Duane Maxwell wrote:
They would be equally worthless, and I mean WORTHLESS. No site KNOWS what browsers access it, only what identification string the browsers send them. At least one of the browsers I use can be asked with a couple of mouse clicks to announce itself as any of several other browsers. (I haven't bothered looking to see if the others can. Hang on, I _know_ two of the others can be so configured with a wee bit of code.)
You're absolutely right, of course. Taking into account the number of people who change their browser's identification string, I have revised my IE share number from 90.7% to 90.69999994%.
Thanks!
-- Duane
-- Alan Knight [|], Cincom Smalltalk Development knight@acm.org aknight@cincom.com http://www.cincom.com/scripts/smalltalk.exe/downloads/index.asp
"Richard A. O'Keefe" wrote:
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But look at who the results come from: "Top 10 Browser Types Visiting Internet.com" and who are Internet.com when they're at home?
http://www.internet.com doesn't really make that clear, does it?
Only that they're called www.internet.com. They don't appear to have any *official* standing (as the name might imply) and if W3C want to sue them, I'll contribute to the fighting fund!
I'd be much more interested in results from Google, now.
They would be equally worthless, and I mean WORTHLESS. No site KNOWS what browsers access it, only what identification string the browsers send them. At least one of the browsers I use can be asked with a couple of mouse clicks to announce itself as any of several other browsers. (I haven't bothered looking to see if the others can. Hang on, I _know_ two of the others can be so configured with a wee bit of code.)
OK. But they'd be worthless, I'd warrant, in a *different* way. Different sites attract different folks who tend to use different browsers. Or use different browsers for different things. For example, if I know a site contains piles of front end junk (or bad javascript) I don't want, I'll use lynx. If I want to grab a page so I can hack their source code, I'll use IE on Windows. If I want to simply keep a page, I'll use Netscape and save it as Postscript (I'll probably convert it to pdf later). If I'm visiting a dual language Chinese/Japanese/Korean site I won't use IE 'cos it'll keep asking me to download fonts. Very occassionally I'll use Amaya. I won't use Opera 'cos it appears to be built for RedHat and I can't be bothered to work out the symlinks. Internally, I use Konqueror. And so on.
Cheers
John
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