I retired the first prototype for a new squeak.org after 500 hours and launched another.
Chris
Great work. Nice and fluid. :-)
I cannot judge if chocolatey is included...
Probably needs some more attentions in terms of use of colors...
Why are there four balloons instead of one in the logo?
--Hannes
On 11/27/12, Chris Cunnington smalltalktelevision@gmail.com wrote:
I retired the first prototype for a new squeak.org after 500 hours and launched another.
Chris
On 2012-11-27 7:07 PM, H. Hirzel wrote:
Great work. Nice and fluid. :-)
Yea, that really works. Nice work Twitter. I have the logo at 250x250px. That, combined with the fluid layout resolves in any cellphone, tablet, or PC screen.
I cannot judge if chocolatey is included...
Probably needs some more attentions in terms of use of colors...
It is grayish. Yea. I knew it was a problem, but I was afraid of doing something to make it look lurid. But now that you've made me think about it, those two gray background areas need a warm hue. Maybe something from the color palette of the old site. That should help.
Why are there four balloons instead of one in the logo?
Well, I wanted the balloon in the background with the Squeak logo in the foreground. I hit on the idea of a Warhol print where he repeated a single image several times with bright colors, but with low line definition. I think it gives a flickering background allowing the Squeak logo to float above.
I figure this is a good basic structure for the site: Altitude with Bootstrap. The the rest is tweaking. Such as, the pages are just lists of links right now, so those pages need more.
I'm not going to lie to you, I'm quite taken with my logo. But, hey, I'm a team player. All anybody has to do to make a logo is fill a 250x250px box. If people want to submit logo gifs, great. The community can choose the one it likes best.
Chris
Here is a logo made by Bert
Karl
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Chris Cunnington < smalltalktelevision@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2012-11-27 7:07 PM, H. Hirzel wrote:
Great work. Nice and fluid. :-)
Yea, that really works. Nice work Twitter. I have the logo at 250x250px. That, combined with the fluid layout resolves in any cellphone, tablet, or PC screen.
I cannot judge if chocolatey is included...
Probably needs some more attentions in terms of use of colors...
It is grayish. Yea. I knew it was a problem, but I was afraid of doing something to make it look lurid. But now that you've made me think about it, those two gray background areas need a warm hue. Maybe something from the color palette of the old site. That should help.
Why are there four balloons instead of one in the logo?
Well, I wanted the balloon in the background with the Squeak logo in the foreground. I hit on the idea of a Warhol print where he repeated a single image several times with bright colors, but with low line definition. I think it gives a flickering background allowing the Squeak logo to float above.
I figure this is a good basic structure for the site: Altitude with Bootstrap. The the rest is tweaking. Such as, the pages are just lists of links right now, so those pages need more.
I'm not going to lie to you, I'm quite taken with my logo. But, hey, I'm a team player. All anybody has to do to make a logo is fill a 250x250px box. If people want to submit logo gifs, great. The community can choose the one it likes best.
Chris
On 2012-11-28 2:04 AM, karl ramberg wrote:
Here is a logo made by Bert
Karl
I've uploaded it. You can see it on the site:
Chris
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 06:44:50AM -0500, Chris Cunnington wrote:
On 2012-11-28 2:04 AM, karl ramberg wrote:
Here is a logo made by Bert
Karl
I've uploaded it. You can see it on the site:
Chris
Our community has been around for quite a while now, so it is worth noting for our newer members that the Squeak logo is the original creation of Tim Rowledge (http://rowledge.org/tim/squeak/index.html).
I do think that Bert has made the nicest rendition of the logo ever :)
Dave
On 2012-11-28, at 14:20, "David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 06:44:50AM -0500, Chris Cunnington wrote:
On 2012-11-28 2:04 AM, karl ramberg wrote:
Here is a logo made by Bert
Karl
I've uploaded it. You can see it on the site:
Chris
Our community has been around for quite a while now, so it is worth noting for our newer members that the Squeak logo is the original creation of Tim Rowledge (http://rowledge.org/tim/squeak/index.html).
I do think that Bert has made the nicest rendition of the logo ever :)
Dave
Really?! *blush*
I'd still call that one an icon rather than a logo, though. It's used on John's Mac VMs (I also made an aqua-blue version for Ian's). I should make one for Cog. Actually, would be easier for someone who still has access to Photoshop (I did that back in my University days). I do have the PSDs around.
Anyway, for a logo rather than an icon I think I like this one better:
(also serves as a reminder for the red-yellow-blue mouse buttons)
But as you say, the cute squeaky mouse in cat's clothing is Tim's originally. And I chuckled seeing Chris's fake Warhol; not a bad idea either, IMHO.
- Bert -
On 28-11-2012, at 8:26 AM, Chris Cunnington smalltalktelevision@gmail.com wrote:
Updated again to the tricolor logo.
Just replied to this and got held in moderation because I included a graphic. If the list mod likes to release it from bondage that would be nice.
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Long computations that yield zero are probably all for naught.
On 2012-11-28 3:38 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
On 28-11-2012, at 8:26 AM, Chris Cunnington smalltalktelevision@gmail.com wrote:
Updated again to the tricolor logo.
Just replied to this and got held in moderation because I included a graphic. If the list mod likes to release it from bondage that would be nice.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Long computations that yield zero are probably all for naught.
That might take a little while. If you want to email me the graphic, I can upload it to a server and post a link to the board. That might be faster.
Chris
Now to get the eyes to watch the mouse ;-)
Chris, how would you like to receive some suggestions/help for building on what you have here for the home page?
Screenshot graphic, html, just text?
- Darius
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Chris Cunnington < smalltalktelevision@gmail.com> wrote:
Updated to Tim's graphic.
Chris
On 2012-11-28 3:59 PM, Darius Clarke wrote:
Now to get the eyes to watch the mouse ;-)
Chris, how would you like to receive some suggestions/help for building on what you have here for the home page?
Screenshot graphic, html, just text?
- Darius
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Chris Cunnington <smalltalktelevision@gmail.com mailto:smalltalktelevision@gmail.com> wrote:
http://box3.squeak.org:8624/ Updated to Tim's graphic. Chris
Absolutely. I'm all ears. Please do. I'm happy to receive help in any manner you'd like to provide it: screenshot, html, etc.
Chris
My little contribution to the current home page was this segment:
Take Part in the Innovation*Discover*Squeak's featureshttp://squeak.org/Features/ . *Get Squeak*by downloading http://squeak.org/Download/ it to your computer.*Learn* the Smalltalk http://squeak.org/Smalltalk/ language.* Explore*the documentation http://squeak.org/Documentation/. *Join*the community http://squeak.org/Community/ to find common interests.* Participate* in the teams http://squeak.org/Community/Teams/.*Stay current *Read the latest news from The Weekly Squeakhttp://weeklysqueak.wordpress.com/ .
To me, it's the core of why there's a website. And, it quickly introduces to the site visitor to what they can do next, in a linear, understandable way, with what they've learned from their first visit. They are all action items. The segment also, probably, answers most of the visitor's first questions.
Maybe it could be the top left tile in your new grid of tiles? But, I'm open to suggestions too.
I also think we can learn from looking at the home pages of other dynamic languages' websites' home pages. but let me know if you've already done that. I could suggest some things from them if you wish.
- Darius
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Chris Cunnington < smalltalktelevision@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2012-11-28 3:59 PM, Darius Clarke wrote:
Now to get the eyes to watch the mouse ;-)
Chris, how would you like to receive some suggestions/help for building on what you have here for the home page?
Screenshot graphic, html, just text?
- Darius
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Chris Cunnington < smalltalktelevision@gmail.com> wrote:
Updated to Tim's graphic.
Chris
Absolutely. I'm all ears. Please do. I'm happy to receive help in any manner you'd like to provide it: screenshot, html, etc.
Chris
On 2012-11-28 4:21 PM, Darius Clarke wrote:
My little contribution to the current home page was this segment:
Take Part in the Innovation
*Discover* Squeak's features http://squeak.org/Features/. *Get Squeak* by downloading http://squeak.org/Download/ it to your computer. *Learn* the Smalltalk http://squeak.org/Smalltalk/ language. *Explore* the documentation http://squeak.org/Documentation/. *Join* the community http://squeak.org/Community/ to find common interests. *Participate* in the teams http://squeak.org/Community/Teams/. *Stay current* Read the latest news from The Weekly Squeak http://weeklysqueak.wordpress.com/.
To me, it's the core of why there's a website. And, it quickly introduces to the site visitor to what they can do next, in a linear, understandable way, with what they've learned from their first visit. They are all action items. The segment also, probably, answers most of the visitor's first questions.
Maybe it could be the top left tile in your new grid of tiles? But, I'm open to suggestions too.
I also think we can learn from looking at the home pages of other dynamic languages' websites' home pages. but let me know if you've already done that. I could suggest some things from them if you wish.
- Darius
That looks like a good idea. If you don't mind, it's getting close to the end of the day here, and swapping the images is easier than the code, so I'll add this idea tomorrow.
I have'nt looked at any other sites than Python and just briefly. There's also (fresh from Hacker News today):
http://www.bootstraphero.com/the-big-badass-list-of-twitter-bootstrap-resour...
Bootstrap has a lot of resources. And how.
Chris
No rush. Take my suggestions only as your time allows. Even your previous 500 is appreciated by me just to know you're trying. :)
I'm really looking forward to using Bootstrap for my own projects now. ( I can use that link. :)
- Darius
Hello Chris and Darius
with the part Darius suggested added 'Take Part In The Innovation' (TPITI) there is now quite some redundancy with the menu at the left. e.g
Project Links (Menu) ==> 'Discover Squeak's projects' (TPITI) Documentation (Menu) ==> 'Explore the documentation' (TPITI) Developer Links (Menu) ==> 'Find tools via the developer links.' (TPITI)
Web users normally look at the menu and need to to be told so.
Maybe the TPITI info and the menu can be combined resulting in a more attractive wording of the menu entries (verb plus object)?
This would as well shift up the six boxes below which makes it more attractive at first glance as everything fits on a regular screen?
--Hannes
On 11/28/12, Darius Clarke socinian@gmail.com wrote:
No rush. Take my suggestions only as your time allows. Even your previous 500 is appreciated by me just to know you're trying. :)
I'm really looking forward to using Bootstrap for my own projects now. ( I can use that link. :)
- Darius
P.S. An idea which might be worth exploreing is to make the menu could look like Smalltalk code which is very readable?
On 12/4/12, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Chris and Darius
with the part Darius suggested added 'Take Part In The Innovation' (TPITI) there is now quite some redundancy with the menu at the left. e.g
Project Links (Menu) ==> 'Discover Squeak's projects' (TPITI) Documentation (Menu) ==> 'Explore the documentation' (TPITI) Developer Links (Menu) ==> 'Find tools via the developer links.' (TPITI)
Web users normally look at the menu and need to to be told so.
Maybe the TPITI info and the menu can be combined resulting in a more attractive wording of the menu entries (verb plus object)?
This would as well shift up the six boxes below which makes it more attractive at first glance as everything fits on a regular screen?
--Hannes
On 11/28/12, Darius Clarke socinian@gmail.com wrote:
No rush. Take my suggestions only as your time allows. Even your previous 500 is appreciated by me just to know you're trying. :)
I'm really looking forward to using Bootstrap for my own projects now. ( I can use that link. :)
- Darius
On 2012-12-04 1:06 AM, H. Hirzel wrote:
Hello Chris and Darius
with the part Darius suggested added 'Take Part In The Innovation' (TPITI) there is now quite some redundancy with the menu at the left. e.g
Project Links (Menu) ==> 'Discover Squeak's projects' (TPITI) Documentation (Menu) ==> 'Explore the documentation' (TPITI) Developer Links (Menu) ==> 'Find tools via the developer links.' (TPITI)
Web users normally look at the menu and need to to be told so.
Maybe the TPITI info and the menu can be combined resulting in a more attractive wording of the menu entries (verb plus object)?
This would as well shift up the six boxes below which makes it more attractive at first glance as everything fits on a regular screen?
--Hannes
You'd like to remove the TPITI and style the menu as Smalltalk code. I'm not sure either of those is a good idea. Casey wanted more color and I'm not sure that's a good idea either. I don't think the webpage should be the attraction. A little dull is probably better.
I figure a site has to work on two levels: immediate impression; and, subsequent usefulness. People being people, they like a bit of noise and chaos in the immediate impression. The current squeak.org gives a great first impression, because its so busy and colorful. It's utility isn't great. The redundancy of the TPITI, which you see as a defect, I see as a contributing to immediate impression. The items in the TPITI overlap with the menu and emphasize the menu.
I also think that people are attracted by what they can only partially see. To give you an example from cinema, a director will often put something in the way of an object the audience wants to see to increase their desire to see it. An example from Lord Of The Rings - The Return Of The King: after much preamble about the witch king of Angmar riding a dragon, our first view is obscured by a castle spire. Spielberg does it all the time. Obscure to increase curiosity.
My point is that because you can only see half of the six areas at the bottom of the screen, your curiosity is nettled, and you scroll down to see the rest of the page. Did you not do exactly that, Hannes? Isn't that what you are protesting against being forced to do? You would like to see the whole page without having to scroll. I would like to see this "defect" as prompting people to interact with the site.
Chris
Hi Chris
Thank you for taking the time to answer.
On 12/5/12, Chris Cunnington smalltalktelevision@gmail.com wrote:
On 2012-12-04 1:06 AM, H. Hirzel wrote:
Hello Chris and Darius
with the part Darius suggested added 'Take Part In The Innovation' (TPITI) there is now quite some redundancy with the menu at the left. e.g
Project Links (Menu) ==> 'Discover Squeak's projects' (TPITI) Documentation (Menu) ==> 'Explore the documentation' (TPITI) Developer Links (Menu) ==> 'Find tools via the developer links.' (TPITI)
Web users normally look at the menu and need to to be told so.
Maybe the TPITI info and the menu can be combined resulting in a more attractive wording of the menu entries (verb plus object)?
This would as well shift up the six boxes below which makes it more attractive at first glance as everything fits on a regular screen?
--Hannes
You'd like to remove the TPITI and style the menu as Smalltalk code. I'm not sure either of those is a good idea.
OK, fine. No objection.
Casey wanted more color and I'm
not sure that's a good idea either. I don't think the webpage should be the attraction. A little dull is probably better.
Eeh?
I figure a site has to work on two levels: immediate impression; and, subsequent usefulness. People being people, they like a bit of noise and chaos in the immediate impression.
Really? Where is the noise?
The current squeak.org gives a great
first impression, because its so busy and colorful. It's utility isn't great.
The redundancy of the TPITI, which you see as a defect, I see as
a contributing to immediate impression. The items in the TPITI overlap with the menu and emphasize the menu.
This is my main point. What people see is the TPITI section which is redundant with a menu which people expect in any case visiting a web site for an IDE/computer language. The standard things. And the non-scrollable area at the top isn't used properly either. So the first impression is to see half-finished redundant stuff and and a nearly empty horizontal menu.
The important news are obstructed and look like an after-thought.
I also think that people are attracted by what they can only partially see. To give you an example from cinema, a director will often put something in the way of an object the audience wants to see to increase their desire to see it. An example from Lord Of The Rings - The Return Of The King: after much preamble about the witch king of Angmar riding a dragon, our first view is obscured by a castle spire. Spielberg does it all the time. Obscure to increase curiosity.
This happens with the 6 intro boxes and the 'more' buttons. Very neat.
My point is that because you can only see half of the six areas at the bottom of the screen, your curiosity is nettled, and you scroll down to see the rest of the page. Did you not do exactly that, Hannes?
Sure, because I was forced to. Not particularly great.
Isn't
that what you are protesting against being forced to do?
Yes
You would like
to see the whole page without having to scroll.
Yes.
I would like to see this
"defect" as prompting people to interact with the site.
Interaction is good and great but not this type of cheap interaction.
We actually have 6 'more' buttons.
another proposal
Why can-t we move TPITI into one of the six boxes and have a relative newcomer write a short article how to get into Squeak....?
--Hannes
Chris
On 2012-12-05 1:25 PM, H. Hirzel wrote:
Hi Chris
Thank you for taking the time to answer.
On 12/5/12, Chris Cunnington smalltalktelevision@gmail.com wrote:
On 2012-12-04 1:06 AM, H. Hirzel wrote:
Hello Chris and Darius
with the part Darius suggested added 'Take Part In The Innovation' (TPITI) there is now quite some redundancy with the menu at the left. e.g
Project Links (Menu) ==> 'Discover Squeak's projects' (TPITI) Documentation (Menu) ==> 'Explore the documentation' (TPITI) Developer Links (Menu) ==> 'Find tools via the developer links.' (TPITI)
Web users normally look at the menu and need to to be told so.
Maybe the TPITI info and the menu can be combined resulting in a more attractive wording of the menu entries (verb plus object)?
This would as well shift up the six boxes below which makes it more attractive at first glance as everything fits on a regular screen?
--Hannes
You'd like to remove the TPITI and style the menu as Smalltalk code. I'm not sure either of those is a good idea.
OK, fine. No objection.
Casey wanted more color and I'm
not sure that's a good idea either. I don't think the webpage should be the attraction. A little dull is probably better.
Eeh?
I figure a site has to work on two levels: immediate impression; and, subsequent usefulness. People being people, they like a bit of noise and chaos in the immediate impression.
Really? Where is the noise?
The current squeak.org gives a great
first impression, because its so busy and colorful. It's utility isn't great.
The redundancy of the TPITI, which you see as a defect, I see as
a contributing to immediate impression. The items in the TPITI overlap with the menu and emphasize the menu.
This is my main point. What people see is the TPITI section which is redundant with a menu which people expect in any case visiting a web site for an IDE/computer language. The standard things. And the non-scrollable area at the top isn't used properly either. So the first impression is to see half-finished redundant stuff and and a nearly empty horizontal menu.
The important news are obstructed and look like an after-thought.
I also think that people are attracted by what they can only partially see. To give you an example from cinema, a director will often put something in the way of an object the audience wants to see to increase their desire to see it. An example from Lord Of The Rings - The Return Of The King: after much preamble about the witch king of Angmar riding a dragon, our first view is obscured by a castle spire. Spielberg does it all the time. Obscure to increase curiosity.
This happens with the 6 intro boxes and the 'more' buttons. Very neat.
My point is that because you can only see half of the six areas at the bottom of the screen, your curiosity is nettled, and you scroll down to see the rest of the page. Did you not do exactly that, Hannes?
Sure, because I was forced to. Not particularly great.
Isn't
that what you are protesting against being forced to do?
Yes
You would like
to see the whole page without having to scroll.
Yes.
I would like to see this
"defect" as prompting people to interact with the site.
Interaction is good and great but not this type of cheap interaction.
We actually have 6 'more' buttons.
another proposal
Why can-t we move TPITI into one of the six boxes and have a relative newcomer write a short article how to get into Squeak....?
--Hannes
Chris
OK. I'll make a change and upload it tomorrow. I'll make the TPITI one of the six boxes and we'll see how it looks.
Chris
I just noticed the discussion about a revamped Squeak.org which is great and I like the idea of using Bootstrap! Anyhow make sure to point (especially beginners) to the World of Smalltalk (world.st) and the aggregated online mailing lists at forum.world.st
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On 6 December 2012 11:43, Geert Claes geert.wl.claes@gmail.com wrote:
I just noticed the discussion about a revamped Squeak.org which is great and I like the idea of using Bootstrap! Anyhow make sure to point (especially beginners) to the World of Smalltalk (world.st) and the aggregated online mailing lists at forum.world.st
planet.squeak.org probably needs a nice place on the front page too. (And and and and....)
frank
Frank Shearar-3 wrote
planet.squeak.org probably needs a nice place on the front page too. (And and and and....)
Maybe, planet.squeak.org is similar to planet.smalltalk.org but when I tried integrating these I found that they are a pita because their look-n-feel doesn't match.
What did you mean with the and and and and ... ?
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On 6 December 2012 12:37, Geert Claes geert.wl.claes@gmail.com wrote:
Frank Shearar-3 wrote
planet.squeak.org probably needs a nice place on the front page too. (And and and and....)
Maybe, planet.squeak.org is similar to planet.smalltalk.org but when I tried integrating these I found that they are a pita because their look-n-feel doesn't match.
You could just read the feeds directly and render them both in a uniform manner, couldn't you? But anyway, I'd just be happy with a hint that it's there at all.
What did you mean with the and and and and ... ?
The danger of overwhelming Chris Cunnington with suggestions, all of which simply MUST be on the front page, at the top. In bold. Maybe even blinking.
frank
I never figured out how to just get the feeds directly and render them myself but maybe that was just me.
hahaha and no, it was never my intention that it "must" be there in bold and blinking :)
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On 06-12-2012, at 4:54 AM, Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe even blinking.
No - no blinking. The Doctor warned us all what would happen if we blink; "Your life could depend on this. Don't blink. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead"
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Useful random insult:- Not enough sense to come in out of the rain.
On 2012-12-06 6:47 AM, Frank Shearar wrote:
On 6 December 2012 11:43, Geert Claes geert.wl.claes@gmail.com wrote:
I just noticed the discussion about a revamped Squeak.org which is great and I like the idea of using Bootstrap! Anyhow make sure to point (especially beginners) to the World of Smalltalk (world.st) and the aggregated online mailing lists at forum.world.st
planet.squeak.org probably needs a nice place on the front page too. (And and and and....)
frank
I'll add world.st in the Smalltalk Blogs section. forum.world.st is linked from the homepage of world.st, so I don't think they are two links, but one.
planet.smalltalk.org has all the things planet.squeak.org does (I think) and there is already a link for that in the Smalltalk Blogs section. Neither world.st nor planet.*.st are core Squeak things, and so they don't go on the homepage.
The world.st is a good suggestion, though. Thank you for it.
Chris
On 6 December 2012 13:02, Chris Cunnington smalltalktelevision@gmail.com wrote:
On 2012-12-06 6:47 AM, Frank Shearar wrote:
On 6 December 2012 11:43, Geert Claes geert.wl.claes@gmail.com wrote:
I just noticed the discussion about a revamped Squeak.org which is great and I like the idea of using Bootstrap! Anyhow make sure to point (especially beginners) to the World of Smalltalk (world.st) and the aggregated online mailing lists at forum.world.st
planet.squeak.org probably needs a nice place on the front page too. (And and and and....)
frank
I'll add world.st in the Smalltalk Blogs section. forum.world.st is linked from the homepage of world.st, so I don't think they are two links, but one.
planet.smalltalk.org has all the things planet.squeak.org does (I think) and there is already a link for that in the Smalltalk Blogs section. Neither world.st nor planet.*.st are core Squeak things, and so they don't go on the homepage.
My work blog posts (labelled "LShift Ltd.") are in planet.squeak but not planet.smalltalk, but I'd accept the answer "well get it added to that planet then".
There is a LOT of overlap between the two, in other words, but neither is a superset of the other.
frank
The world.st is a good suggestion, though. Thank you for it.
Chris
On 2012-12-06 8:53 AM, Frank Shearar wrote:
On 6 December 2012 13:02, Chris Cunnington smalltalktelevision@gmail.com wrote:
On 2012-12-06 6:47 AM, Frank Shearar wrote:
On 6 December 2012 11:43, Geert Claes geert.wl.claes@gmail.com wrote:
I just noticed the discussion about a revamped Squeak.org which is great and I like the idea of using Bootstrap! Anyhow make sure to point (especially beginners) to the World of Smalltalk (world.st) and the aggregated online mailing lists at forum.world.st
planet.squeak.org probably needs a nice place on the front page too. (And and and and....)
frank
I'll add world.st in the Smalltalk Blogs section. forum.world.st is linked from the homepage of world.st, so I don't think they are two links, but one.
planet.smalltalk.org has all the things planet.squeak.org does (I think) and there is already a link for that in the Smalltalk Blogs section. Neither world.st nor planet.*.st are core Squeak things, and so they don't go on the homepage.
My work blog posts (labelled "LShift Ltd.") are in planet.squeak but not planet.smalltalk, but I'd accept the answer "well get it added to that planet then".
I figure I'll just add planet.squeak.org as well.
Chris
There is a LOT of overlap between the two, in other words, but neither is a superset of the other.
frank
The world.st is a good suggestion, though. Thank you for it.
Chris
Chris Cunnington wrote
I'll add world.st in the Smalltalk Blogs section. forum.world.st is linked from the homepage of world.st, so I don't think they are two links, but one.
I would suggest to put world.st under the Documentation rather than Smalltalk Blogs because it doesn't publish anything.
Chris Cunnington wrote
planet.smalltalk.org has all the things planet.squeak.org does (I think) and there is already a link for that in the Smalltalk Blogs section. Neither world.st nor planet.*.st are core Squeak things, and so they don't go on the homepage.
Sure.
My 2 cents: the younger generation may not make the connection that "Mailing Lists" are where you can go and find the answer to questions one may have as they are used to discuss in online "Forums" rather than via email.
ps. there are sub-domains for the Smalltalk Distributions so you could point to squeak.forum.world.st (or gemstone.forum.world.st or cincom.forum.world.st or ...) to get straight to the Squeak specific forums.
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On 07-12-2012, at 2:37 AM, Geert Claes geert.wl.claes@gmail.com wrote:
My 2 cents: the younger generation may not make the connection that "Mailing Lists" are where you can go and find the answer to questions one may have as they are used to discuss in online "Forums" rather than via email.
ps. there are sub-domains for the Smalltalk Distributions so you could point to squeak.forum.world.st (or gemstone.forum.world.st or cincom.forum.world.st or ...) to get straight to the Squeak specific forums.
Even though I don't much like web forum versions of mailing lists, this is a good point. Pointing to squeak.forum.world.st would be a smart move. Perhaps go so far as to rename the 'mailing lists' item as 'Forums' and make a very simple page that explains the possibility of using either format and then all the options. If possible make sure that *all* the assorted mailing lists are represented on the forum; diversity is a good thing but not so much if it causes insularity.
How about (making big assumptions about the implementability of this) a Forums page with the squeak.forum.world.st page embedded under an explanation something like:-
We run a variety of forums about Squeak, ranging from guidance for beginners to the workings of VM builders and pretty much everything between. All of them are also available as subscribable mailing lists; if you prefer that format go to LINK to subscribe.
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Useful random insult:- One of the early failures of electroshock therapy.
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