I hate to stiffle creativity, but Java in my opinion is bloated, slow,and poorly designed. I have used Java for years, and have grown to hate it more and more. Squeak on the JVM would be a Huge performance hit. Look at Jython vs. Python. Above remember who dictates Java (tm) policy.
Adrian
Yeah, but I was talking about hosting java class files in the squeak vm.
On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 05:21 PM, athiele@charter.net wrote:
I hate to stiffle creativity, but Java in my opinion is bloated, slow,and poorly designed. I have used Java for years, and have grown to hate it more and more. Squeak on the JVM would be a Huge performance hit. Look at Jython vs. Python. Above remember who dictates Java (tm) policy.
Adrian
From: tblanchard@mac.com Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:15:42 PM Europe/Paris To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: Porting Squeak to Java VM Reply-To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Derek Brans brans@nerdonawire.com wrote:
Any thought been given to this? Would that give us "Squeak in a web-browser" without a plug-in, among other things?
Boring. Also, not a particularly good fit.
What might be more entertaining is to write a java class loader in squeak that loaded a java class definition (bytecodes) and translated it into an equivalent Squeak class (loading and translating all dependent classes as well). There's an awful lot of java code being written - some of it might be worth leveraging.
Most of it probably isn't.
Just my opinion.
Yeah, but I was talking about hosting java class files in the squeak vm.
Smalltalk/X do that... It can also make an applet as a front end for an application...
More info on: http://www.exept.de/sites/exept/english/Home/frame_welcome.html
-- Alexandre
On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 05:21 PM, athiele@charter.net wrote:
I hate to stiffle creativity, but Java in my opinion is bloated, slow,and poorly designed. I have used Java for years, and have grown to hate it more and more. Squeak on the JVM would be a Huge performance hit. Look at Jython vs. Python. Above remember who dictates Java (tm) policy.
Adrian
From: tblanchard@mac.com Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:15:42 PM Europe/Paris To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: Porting Squeak to Java VM Reply-To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Derek Brans brans@nerdonawire.com wrote:
Any thought been given to this? Would that give us "Squeak in a web-browser" without a plug-in, among other things?
Boring. Also, not a particularly good fit.
What might be more entertaining is to write a java class loader in squeak that loaded a java class definition (bytecodes) and translated it into an equivalent Squeak class (loading and translating all dependent classes as well). There's an awful lot of java code being written - some of it might be worth leveraging.
Most of it probably isn't.
Just my opinion.
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