Hi,
I'm sending this response to squeak-dev as well, as that is the more appropriate place ...
Cog works well with trunk images; you need to have the latest updates in there, though. If I understand your message correctly, you seem to be unable to update to the latest trunk, right? Have you set the update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences (under Monticello)?
Once all the updates are in, Cog starts up my trunk image, and I'm enjoying the speedup. :-)
Pre-built releases take time to prepare, and please bear in mind that Cog was released just some few days ago. Also, Cog does have its glitches (I experience some difficulties with bytecode simulation, but also with stepping in the debugger - report upcoming) and is probably not 100 % stable for all purposes that the non-Cog VMs were well suited for.
To summarise, while Cog is the "latest and greatest", as you put it, it should be considered beta. The stable Squeak release is 4.1 plus the latest VM, and in my actually not so humble opinion it is completely sufficient to provide pre-built releases for *that*.
Perhaps I misunderstood you here and there: apologies for that, then.
Best,
Michael
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Squeak List squeaklist@yahoo.com wrote:
First, MANY thanks to everyone for bringing Cog to Squeak :)
yet, i go to: "og, a Squeak JIT VM with 2x-10x Speedup Released Eliot Miranda announced that Teleplace released under a MIT license his work on a long awaited and anticipated new JIT virtual engine for Squeak and friends called Cog, with 2x-10x improvement in performance. It is available on our ftp site."
and find no way to get Cog working at all with Trunk... it seems like update options were released some time ago for 4.1, when folks were having similar problems - but i cannot get cog to accept any update preferences...
what happened to the COMPLETELY PRE-BUILT releases????
i think this is what confuses/infuriates some folks: expectation is to click a link and download the COMPLETE latest and greatest: here you have cog and functioning options INCLUDED in what you download from squeak.org, that allow you to choose from whatever update stream you choose... at least Trunk...
windows vista 32 bit here.
i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences... and i am amazed that i should have to look ANYWHERE beyond SQUEAK.ORG to waste time... the program works (except the updating via TRUNK) - did i miss the message that explains how to fix this (possibly/probably) - and if/since i did miss that clearly spelled out message, why on earth is it not spelled out clearly on squeak.org??? or did i miss it there also?
otherwise, it all is very interesting :)
and it seems that is working very well (cog) for some folks.
i would just like to ask someone to CLEARLY EXPLAIN how to get the new Cog system working in Windows: so that i can use Trunk updates.
sorry, but it just seems like when i download the Cog from squeak.org, it should not have problems connecting to Trunk... and that updating from Trunk should be a built in option in preferences... to me at least... something that you could turn off if you were not interested....
thanx all,
ken
Michael,
the specific problem (which i thought i spelled out fairly well): i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences...
which means that when i do, or try to reset the update site, the buttons just stop working - nothing happens when i click on them - they do not even PRETEND to be "clicked on... :)":
" Have you set the update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences(under Monticello)?"...
YES - and the buttons do nothing after i do that. i click on any button, or anything whatsoever, and the preference goes back to what it was before... i cannot "save" the preference to update via trunk (under Monticello)... that is THE issue :)
and that was the ONLY point i was trying to make :)
Thanks for replying with in a helpful way :)
ken
Hi,
I'm sending this response to squeak-dev as well, as that is the more appropriate place ...
Cog works well with trunk images; you need to have the latest updates in there, though. If I understand your message correctly, you seem to be unable to update to the latest trunk, right? Have you set the update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences (under Monticello)?
Once all the updates are in, Cog starts up my trunk image, and I'm enjoying the speedup. :-)
Pre-built releases take time to prepare, and please bear in mind that Cog was released just some few days ago. Also, Cog does have its glitches (I experience some difficulties with bytecode simulation, but also with stepping in the debugger - report upcoming) and is probably not 100 % stable for all purposes that the non-Cog VMs were well suited for.
To summarise, while Cog is the "latest and greatest", as you put it, it should be considered beta. The stable Squeak release is 4.1 plus the latest VM, and in my actually not so humble opinion it is completely sufficient to provide pre-built releases for *that*.
Perhaps I misunderstood you here and there: apologies for that, then.
Best,
Michael
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Squeak List squeaklist@yahoo.com wrote:
First, MANY thanks to everyone for bringing Cog to Squeak :)
yet, i go to: "og, a Squeak JIT VM with 2x-10x Speedup Released Eliot Miranda announced that Teleplace released under a MIT license his work on a long awaited and anticipated new JIT virtual engine for Squeak and friends called Cog, with 2x-10x improvement in performance. It is available on our ftp site."
and find no way to get Cog working at all with Trunk... it seems like update options were released some time ago for 4.1, when folks were having similar problems - but i cannot get cog to accept any update preferences...
what happened to the COMPLETELY PRE-BUILT releases????
i think this is what confuses/infuriates some folks: expectation is to click a link and download the COMPLETE latest and greatest: here you have cog and functioning options INCLUDED in what you download from squeak.org, that allow you to choose from whatever update stream you choose... at least Trunk...
windows vista 32 bit here.
i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences... and i am amazed that i should have to look ANYWHERE beyond SQUEAK.ORG to waste time... the program works (except the updating via TRUNK) - did i miss the message that explains how to fix this (possibly/probably) - and if/since i did miss that clearly spelled out message, why on earth is it not spelled out clearly on squeak.org??? or did i miss it there also?
otherwise, it all is very interesting :)
and it seems that is working very well (cog) for some folks.
i would just like to ask someone to CLEARLY EXPLAIN how to get the new Cog system working in Windows: so that i can use Trunk updates.
sorry, but it just seems like when i download the Cog from squeak.org, it should not have problems connecting to Trunk... and that updating from Trunk should be a built in option in preferences... to me at least... something that you could turn off if you were not interested....
thanx all,
ken
What buttons?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXE1XwdtX1M
2010/6/25 Squeak List squeaklist@yahoo.com
Michael,
the specific problem (which i thought i spelled out fairly well): i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences...
which means that when i do, or try to reset the update site, the buttons just stop working - nothing happens when i click on them - they do not even PRETEND to be "clicked on... :)":
" Have you set the update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences(under Monticello)?"...
YES - and the buttons do nothing after i do that. i click on any button, or anything whatsoever, and the preference goes back to what it was before... i cannot "save" the preference to update via trunk (under Monticello)... that is THE issue :)
and that was the ONLY point i was trying to make :)
Thanks for replying with in a helpful way :)
ken
Hi,
I'm sending this response to squeak-dev as well, as that is the more appropriate place ...
Cog works well with trunk images; you need to have the latest updates in there, though. If I understand your message correctly, you seem to be unable to update to the latest trunk, right? Have you set the update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences (under Monticello)?
Once all the updates are in, Cog starts up my trunk image, and I'm enjoying the speedup. :-)
Pre-built releases take time to prepare, and please bear in mind that Cog was released just some few days ago. Also, Cog does have its glitches (I experience some difficulties with bytecode simulation, but also with stepping in the debugger - report upcoming) and is probably not 100 % stable for all purposes that the non-Cog VMs were well suited for.
To summarise, while Cog is the "latest and greatest", as you put it, it should be considered beta. The stable Squeak release is 4.1 plus the latest VM, and in my actually not so humble opinion it is completely sufficient to provide pre-built releases for *that*.
Perhaps I misunderstood you here and there: apologies for that, then.
Best,
Michael
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Squeak List squeaklist@yahoo.com wrote:
First, MANY thanks to everyone for bringing Cog to Squeak :)
yet, i go to: "og, a Squeak JIT VM with 2x-10x Speedup Released Eliot Miranda announced that Teleplace released under a MIT license his
work on a long awaited and anticipated new JIT virtual engine for Squeak and friends called Cog, with 2x-10x improvement in performance. It is available on our ftp site."
and find no way to get Cog working at all with Trunk... it seems like
update options were released some time ago for 4.1, when folks were having similar problems - but i cannot get cog to accept any update preferences...
what happened to the COMPLETELY PRE-BUILT releases????
i think this is what confuses/infuriates some folks: expectation is to
click a link and download the COMPLETE latest and greatest: here you have cog and functioning options INCLUDED in what you download from squeak.org, that allow you to choose from whatever update stream you choose... at least Trunk...
windows vista 32 bit here.
i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work
in the preferences... and i am amazed that i should have to look ANYWHERE beyond SQUEAK.ORG to waste time... the program works (except the updating via TRUNK) - did i miss the message that explains how to fix this (possibly/probably) - and if/since i did miss that clearly spelled out message, why on earth is it not spelled out clearly on squeak.org??? or did i miss it there also?
otherwise, it all is very interesting :)
and it seems that is working very well (cog) for some folks.
i would just like to ask someone to CLEARLY EXPLAIN how to get the new
Cog system working in Windows: so that i can use Trunk updates.
sorry, but it just seems like when i download the Cog from squeak.org,
it should not have problems connecting to Trunk... and that updating from Trunk should be a built in option in preferences... to me at least... something that you could turn off if you were not interested....
thanx all,
ken
Alexander, i did everything in your video. many times... and exact same as before: it updates to 9957 - and does not save the preference to update from Trunk... thanks for your efforts - i appreciate it. ken
________________________________ From: Alexander Lazarević laza@blobworks.com To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 5:27:12 AM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: [Vm-dev] COG, Trunk, and squeak.org
What buttons?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXE1XwdtX1M
2010/6/25 Squeak List squeaklist@yahoo.com
Michael,
the specific problem (which i thought i spelled out fairly well): i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences...
which means that when i do, or try to reset the update site, the buttons just stop working - nothing happens when i click on them - they do not even PRETEND to be "clicked on... :)":
" Have you set the update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences(under Monticello)?"...
YES - and the buttons do nothing after i do that. i click on any button, or anything whatsoever, and the preference goes back to what it was before... i cannot "save" the preference to update via trunk (under Monticello)... that is THE issue :)
and that was the ONLY point i was trying to make :)
Thanks for replying with in a helpful way :)
ken
Hi,
I'm sending this response to squeak-dev as well, as that is the more appropriate place ...
Cog works well with trunk images; you need to have the latest updates in there, though. If I understand your message correctly, you seem to be unable to update to the latest trunk, right? Have you set the update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences (under Monticello)?
Once all the updates are in, Cog starts up my trunk image, and I'm enjoying the speedup. :-)
Pre-built releases take time to prepare, and please bear in mind that Cog was released just some few days ago. Also, Cog does have its glitches (I experience some difficulties with bytecode simulation, but also with stepping in the debugger - report upcoming) and is probably not 100 % stable for all purposes that the non-Cog VMs were well suited for.
To summarise, while Cog is the "latest and greatest", as you put it, it should be considered beta. The stable Squeak release is 4.1 plus the latest VM, and in my actually not so humble opinion it is completely sufficient to provide pre-built releases for *that*.
Perhaps I misunderstood you here and there: apologies for that, then.
Best,
Michael
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Squeak List squeaklist@yahoo.com wrote:
First, MANY thanks to everyone for bringing Cog to Squeak :)
yet, i go to: "og, a Squeak JIT VM with 2x-10x Speedup Released Eliot Miranda announced that Teleplace released under a MIT license his work on a long awaited and anticipated new JIT virtual engine for Squeak and friends called Cog, with 2x-10x improvement in performance. It is available on our ftp site."
and find no way to get Cog working at all with Trunk... it seems like update options were released some time ago for 4.1, when folks were having similar problems - but i cannot get cog to accept any update preferences...
what happened to the COMPLETELY PRE-BUILT releases????
i think this is what confuses/infuriates some folks: expectation is to click a link and download the COMPLETE latest and greatest: here you have cog and functioning options INCLUDED in what you download from squeak.org, that allow you to choose from whatever update stream you choose... at least Trunk...
windows vista 32 bit here.
i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences... and i am amazed that i should have to look ANYWHERE beyond SQUEAK.ORG to waste time... the program works (except the updating via TRUNK) - did i miss the message that explains how to fix this (possibly/probably) - and if/since i did miss that clearly spelled out message, why on earth is it not spelled out clearly on squeak.org??? or did i miss it there also?
otherwise, it all is very interesting :)
and it seems that is working very well (cog) for some folks.
i would just like to ask someone to CLEARLY EXPLAIN how to get the new Cog system working in Windows: so that i can use Trunk updates.
sorry, but it just seems like when i download the Cog from squeak.org, it should not have problems connecting to Trunk... and that updating from Trunk should be a built in option in preferences... to me at least... something that you could turn off if you were not interested....
thanx all,
ken
2010/6/25 Vaidotas Didžbalis vaidasd@gmail.com
...i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not
work in the preferences...
yes, save button do not work in 4.1. One must use Alt+s to save changed field.
There is no need to press Alt-S in a changed field, the Enter-Key just works fine. You don't need to click on any save button to make the changes in the preferences work. The save/load buttons just save/load the current state of the Preferences to memory/file. There seems to be still a bug, so that saving to memory won't work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyzZxCBO-yc
Alex
Alex
Thanks for your response: i appreciate it - as well as everyone else who helped me with this issue :)
and thanks for confiming that there may still be a bug ...
Ken
________________________________ From: Alexander Lazarević laza@blobworks.com To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 4:35:26 PM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: [Vm-dev] COG, Trunk, and squeak.org
2010/6/25 Vaidotas Didžbalis vaidasd@gmail.com
...i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences...
yes, save button do not work in 4.1. One must use Alt+s to save changed field.
There is no need to press Alt-S in a changed field, the Enter-Key just works fine. You don't need to click on any save button to make the changes in the preferences work. The save/load buttons just save/load the current state of the Preferences to memory/file. There seems to be still a bug, so that saving to memory won't work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyzZxCBO-yc
Alex
Vaidotas,
Thank-you... that is exactly what I needed.
You deserve a raise :)
Thanks,
Ken
----- Original Message ---- From: Vaidotas Didžbalis vaidasd@gmail.com To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 9:07:37 AM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: [Vm-dev] COG, Trunk, and squeak.org
...i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences...
yes, save button do not work in 4.1. One must use Alt+s to save changed field.
and Cog VM crashes when updating from trunc 4.1 on Windows.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Squeak List squeaklist@yahoo.com wrote:
Michael,
the specific problem (which i thought i spelled out fairly well): i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences...
which means that when i do, or try to reset the update site, the buttons just stop working - nothing happens when i click on them - they do not even PRETEND to be "clicked on... :)":
" Have you set the update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences(under Monticello)?"...
YES - and the buttons do nothing after i do that. i click on any button, or anything whatsoever, and the preference goes back to what it was before... i cannot "save" the preference to update via trunk (under Monticello)... that is THE issue :)
and that was the ONLY point i was trying to make :)
Thanks for replying with in a helpful way :)
ken
Hi,
I'm sending this response to squeak-dev as well, as that is the more appropriate place ...
Cog works well with trunk images; you need to have the latest updates in there, though. If I understand your message correctly, you seem to be unable to update to the latest trunk, right? Have you set the update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences (under Monticello)?
Once all the updates are in, Cog starts up my trunk image, and I'm enjoying the speedup. :-)
Pre-built releases take time to prepare, and please bear in mind that Cog was released just some few days ago. Also, Cog does have its glitches (I experience some difficulties with bytecode simulation, but also with stepping in the debugger - report upcoming) and is probably not 100 % stable for all purposes that the non-Cog VMs were well suited for.
To summarise, while Cog is the "latest and greatest", as you put it, it should be considered beta. The stable Squeak release is 4.1 plus the latest VM, and in my actually not so humble opinion it is completely sufficient to provide pre-built releases for *that*.
Perhaps I misunderstood you here and there: apologies for that, then.
Best,
Michael
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Squeak List squeaklist@yahoo.com wrote:
First, MANY thanks to everyone for bringing Cog to Squeak :)
yet, i go to: "og, a Squeak JIT VM with 2x-10x Speedup Released Eliot Miranda announced that Teleplace released under a MIT license his work on a long awaited and anticipated new JIT virtual engine for Squeak and friends called Cog, with 2x-10x improvement in performance. It is available on our ftp site."
and find no way to get Cog working at all with Trunk... it seems like update options were released some time ago for 4.1, when folks were having similar problems - but i cannot get cog to accept any update preferences...
what happened to the COMPLETELY PRE-BUILT releases????
i think this is what confuses/infuriates some folks: expectation is to click a link and download the COMPLETE latest and greatest: here you have cog and functioning options INCLUDED in what you download from squeak.org, that allow you to choose from whatever update stream you choose... at least Trunk...
windows vista 32 bit here.
i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences... and i am amazed that i should have to look ANYWHERE beyond SQUEAK.ORG to waste time... the program works (except the updating via TRUNK) - did i miss the message that explains how to fix this (possibly/probably) - and if/since i did miss that clearly spelled out message, why on earth is it not spelled out clearly on squeak.org??? or did i miss it there also?
otherwise, it all is very interesting :)
and it seems that is working very well (cog) for some folks.
i would just like to ask someone to CLEARLY EXPLAIN how to get the new Cog system working in Windows: so that i can use Trunk updates.
sorry, but it just seems like when i download the Cog from squeak.org, it should not have problems connecting to Trunk... and that updating from Trunk should be a built in option in preferences... to me at least... something that you could turn off if you were not interested....
thanx all,
ken
Vaidotas,
Confirmed...again...
and seen this happen every time earlier...
thanks,
Ken
----- Original Message ---- From: Vaidotas Didžbalis vaidasd@gmail.com To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 9:10:14 AM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: [Vm-dev] COG, Trunk, and squeak.org
and Cog VM crashes when updating from trunc 4.1 on Windows.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Squeak List squeaklist@yahoo.com wrote:
Michael,
the specific problem (which i thought i spelled out fairly well): i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences...
which means that when i do, or try to reset the update site, the buttons just stop working - nothing happens when i click on them - they do not even PRETEND to be "clicked on... :)":
" Have you set the update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences(under Monticello)?"...
YES - and the buttons do nothing after i do that. i click on any button, or anything whatsoever, and the preference goes back to what it was before... i cannot "save" the preference to update via trunk (under Monticello)... that is THE issue :)
and that was the ONLY point i was trying to make :)
Thanks for replying with in a helpful way :)
ken
Hi,
I'm sending this response to squeak-dev as well, as that is the more appropriate place ...
Cog works well with trunk images; you need to have the latest updates in there, though. If I understand your message correctly, you seem to be unable to update to the latest trunk, right? Have you set the update site to http://source.squeak.org/trunk in the preferences (under Monticello)?
Once all the updates are in, Cog starts up my trunk image, and I'm enjoying the speedup. :-)
Pre-built releases take time to prepare, and please bear in mind that Cog was released just some few days ago. Also, Cog does have its glitches (I experience some difficulties with bytecode simulation, but also with stepping in the debugger - report upcoming) and is probably not 100 % stable for all purposes that the non-Cog VMs were well suited for.
To summarise, while Cog is the "latest and greatest", as you put it, it should be considered beta. The stable Squeak release is 4.1 plus the latest VM, and in my actually not so humble opinion it is completely sufficient to provide pre-built releases for *that*.
Perhaps I misunderstood you here and there: apologies for that, then.
Best,
Michael
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Squeak List squeaklist@yahoo.com wrote:
First, MANY thanks to everyone for bringing Cog to Squeak :)
yet, i go to: "og, a Squeak JIT VM with 2x-10x Speedup Released Eliot Miranda announced that Teleplace released under a MIT license his work on a long awaited and anticipated new JIT virtual engine for Squeak and friends called Cog, with 2x-10x improvement in performance. It is available on our ftp site."
and find no way to get Cog working at all with Trunk... it seems like update options were released some time ago for 4.1, when folks were having similar problems - but i cannot get cog to accept any update preferences...
what happened to the COMPLETELY PRE-BUILT releases????
i think this is what confuses/infuriates some folks: expectation is to click a link and download the COMPLETE latest and greatest: here you have cog and functioning options INCLUDED in what you download from squeak.org, that allow you to choose from whatever update stream you choose... at least Trunk...
windows vista 32 bit here.
i cannot find how to make cog update from TRUNK: the BUTTONS do not work in the preferences... and i am amazed that i should have to look ANYWHERE beyond SQUEAK.ORG to waste time... the program works (except the updating via TRUNK) - did i miss the message that explains how to fix this (possibly/probably) - and if/since i did miss that clearly spelled out message, why on earth is it not spelled out clearly on squeak.org??? or did i miss it there also?
otherwise, it all is very interesting :)
and it seems that is working very well (cog) for some folks.
i would just like to ask someone to CLEARLY EXPLAIN how to get the new Cog system working in Windows: so that i can use Trunk updates.
sorry, but it just seems like when i download the Cog from squeak.org, it should not have problems connecting to Trunk... and that updating from Trunk should be a built in option in preferences... to me at least... something that you could turn off if you were not interested....
thanx all,
ken
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