Proposal for Squeak 3.8 release schedule

stéphane ducasse ducasse at iam.unibe.ch
Sat Oct 9 09:39:43 UTC 2004


> Has it been that long already? I apologize. With two upcoming 
> releases, with preparing various new projects and spending too much 
> time on airports time really flies by.

I understand but this is true that with marcus we really wanted to push 
all the pending fixes because during nearly a month or more nothing 
happened. And this is what diego pointed.

>> Meanwhile the community moved in another directing in absence of 
>> answers
>> from you.  Talking for myself I changed my plans about Small-Land's
>> release delaying it for weeks and I invested time and effort merging 
>> my
>> changes in unstable stream to join 3.8.
>
> Do I understand you correctly that you would like to see the 3.8 
> release to be in sync with the Small-Land release? If so, would it 
> matter if the Small-Land release were sync-ed with the 3.9 release 
> instead?

I'm not diego but I think that we could (but for that we would need 
help) release a fast 3.9 if diego needs it.

>> Note that more than 2 months had elapsed since the original idea of
>> ultraConservative-shortRelease for 3.8. That means we spent more time
>> waiting that the time we decided to invest on 3.8UltraStable (As it 
>> was
>> 2 months).

Andreas I hope that you will have more time in the future for every 
(bodies) :)
Now I would like to take the opportunity to raise the following points:
	- it would be nice that the main players in Squeak have more visible 
schedules (even if they do not have to be mentioned
	months in advanced, may change....)
	- I think that a bit of communication would ***really*** help.
	- We tried to do that with ESUG but partially failed.
	- Sometimes I have the feeling that Squeaklanders, tweakers, plays a 
bit alone (I understand because
	this is certainly the best way for you to go fast) still it would be 
nice to have some known points or targets
	
For example, since I saw the latest version of Tweak I stopped to think 
at all about morphic and morphic improvements.
Now the questions is that Tweak does not exist because we do not know 
"publicly" what it is what are the plans.
I understand well that having plans for tweak too early can be as bad 
as none. Because during that time, people such as
diego needs a better Morphic and look. Still it would be nice to have a 
vision at one year. And to see how /if transition is planned
get tweak instead of Morphic.

So I do not ask you to react on this particular aspects but think in 
term of how to improve the communication
between all the partners. I think that this would have been the role of 
squeak foundation but this stuff
never existed. So may be we should make it real.

Stef









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