Hi Timothy,

The Internet Archive automatically offers BitTorrent for all of its  
items.  And anyone can create an archive.org account and begin  
uploading items.  Each item can be modified by its owner (uploaded,  
metadata changed) via the Internet Archive APIs:

https://archive.org/services/docs/api/
http://blog.archive.org/developers/

The best example of these APIs in practice is the Python tool:

https://github.com/jjjake/internetarchive

(I used to work there and helped with some of the testing & debugging  
of this tool, actually.)

I've sometimes dreamed of using Internet Archive items as Monticello  
repos, which would be writable by their owner but read-only to the  
rest of the world.  It could serve as a good place for cold storage.   
I know Tigerbrew (a fork of Homebrew, a macOS package manager) uses  
Internet Archive in this way:

https://archive.org/download/tigerbrew

I started writing an Internet Archive client in Squeak a few years  
ago.  At Camp Smalltalk last year I released what I had, though very  
unpolished and in need of better packaging for a proper release:

https://github.com/tcj/craggyaloofness

It's only capable of reading & downloading, not writing or modifying,  
items (though the API and Python tool do offer that capability).   
Nonetheless, it's fun (in my opinion) to be able to show the Byte  
magazine cover via a one-liner:

(IAItem named: 'byte-magazine-1981-08' ) displayItemTileJpeg

The way I imagined using Internet Archive for long-term storage  
of .mcz files would involve any interested developer creating an  
archive.org account and then uploading some file to create an item.   
That item would become the repo.   Then, additional files could be  
uploaded to the item either through the archive.org web site, the API,  
the Python tool, or a nonexistent Monticello repository  
adapter.   :)   The developer could share the item name as the repo,  
and Monticello could read from it.

Just dreaming aloud.

Best,
a Tim




On Aug 4, 2020, at 4:14 PM, gettimothy via Squeak-dev wrote:

> the immediate problem I have should be fixed when Europa returns  
> from vacation and restarts the smalltalkhub server, according to  
> Estaban on the pharo discord.
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> What are the meta problems here? Hubs.
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> Github, smalltalkhub, squeaksource
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> A radicall solution based on that music sharing app bittorrent may  
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> It is ESR's Cathedral vs Bazzar problem.
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> I need Squeak with XTreams , Seaside and PG3 for my work , all  
> awesonme software packages,  but the platforms are diverging where  
> maintaining the trinity in my preferred platform is hard work.
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> I would much prefer to torrent a working image than spend time  
> reverse engineering a mundane problem.
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> Torrents.smalltalk.org , or, really cool, peer to peer ala croquet.
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> Cheers
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> tty
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> ---- On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 13:57:48 -0400 Tom.Beckmann at student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de 
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> Hey everyone,
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> I just described our suggestion to approach a new bootstrapping  
> process on Metacello's Github: https://github.com/Metacello/metacello/issues/524
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> We would appreciate it, if you could have a read through and see if  
> you can identify potential problems or better ways to approach this,  
> in particular also for the "Further Steps" part.
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> Best,
> Tom
> ________________________________________
> From: Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org> on  
> behalf of gettimothy via Squeak-dev <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org 
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> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 1:55:48 PM
> To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Squeak6.0 alpha, install, add additional  
> stuff--Metacello, Git, OSProcess, Grift, Malfeascance, etc fails due  
> to smaltalkhub be bye-bye
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> Thanks all
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> Are there steps I should be taking to help facilitate this?
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> ---- On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 06:49:47 -0400 Das.Linux at gmx.de wrote ----
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> > On 03.08.2020, at 10:13, Marcel Taeumel <marcel.taeumel at hpi.de<mailto:marcel.taeumel at hpi.de 
> >> wrote:
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> > Hi all!
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> > I think that Tom (tobe) had the idea to publish bootstrap MCZs via  
> Metacello's GitHub releases page since it is very easy to point  
> Monti(!)cello to such an HTML page to fetch downloadable content.
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> In that case, we can put them on files.squeak.org, too …
> -t
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> > Best,
> > Marcel
> >> Am 02.08.2020 22:13:18 schrieb Jakob Reschke <forums.jakob at resfarm.de 
> <mailto:forums.jakob at resfarm.de>>:
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> >> Probably related thread:
> >> http://forum.world.st/Metacello-bootstrap-fails-due-to-download-timeouts-td5119637.html
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> >> Am So., 2. Aug. 2020 um 11:42 Uhr schrieb gettimothy via Squeak-dev
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> >> > Hi folks,
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> >> > This probably holds for 5.3 install too.
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> >> > In the preferences wizard, the extras stuff, the Install  
> Metacello ... hangs at "Updating http://smalltalkhub.com/foo/bar/metacello/main 
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> >> > iirc, from the pharo discord, SmalltalkHub is going away.
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> >> > You will probably need a different repo.
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> >> > cordially,
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> >> > tty
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